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Post by KattyKatie on Jun 24, 2002 6:46:04 GMT -5
I don't really get what's so bad about homosexuals. I mean, yeah if a girl was hitting on me I'd be pretty uncomfortable but I wouldn't hate all homosexuals. I have quite a few friends who are bi-sexual (I don't know anybody who's strictly homosexual) and I treat them just the same as I treat my other friends. I'm also getting sick of this Bible stuff. I have total faith in God, but that doesn't mean everybody does. Why would you judge somebodies lifestyle on something they don't even believe in?
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Post by julinka on Jul 3, 2002 16:45:40 GMT -5
How can someone be prideful of their *sexuality*? Sexuality is a very personal, private thing and belongs in the bedroom, not in the streets.
Because being gay isn't just a bedroom issue. It's not like they're out there having a pride parade about their shoe fetish. Being able to be openly gay is what allows a guy to walk down the street holding his boyfriend's hand, or invite him to the company picnic.
Pride events and groups are also about being part of a community for some people -- a community that shares similar backgrounds in at least one respect. There's a Chinese Student association for much the same reasons there's a LBGT group on campus. Neither group represents the experiences of everyone in that category, but they can be important sources of support and visible diversity.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 3, 2002 17:57:11 GMT -5
Because being gay isn't just a bedroom issue. It's not like they're out there having a pride parade about their shoe fetish. Being able to be openly gay is what allows a guy to walk down the street holding his boyfriend's hand, or invite him to the company picnic.And you need a parade to tell everyone that? You can be openly gay without shoving it down people's throats. Do I or other straight people go into the streets and dance around in our underwear and gold lameil thongs and announce our heterosexualty? No. You can be gay and hold hands and do whatever else without a parade. Pride events and groups are also about being part of a community for some people -- a community that shares similar backgrounds in at least one respect. There's a Chinese Student association for much the same reasons there's a LBGT group on campus. Neither group represents the experiences of everyone in that category, but they can be important sources of support and visible diversity.Ok. Clubs, fine. But does the Chinese Student Assoc. have there own parades? Do they walk around in peacock outfits and do men dress up in skirts and strip down to their underwear to get their... "way of life" or beliefs across? No. They do it in a more respectable, less offensive manner. If those parades are a way of getting their way of life across, then they are getting it all wrong. What these parades are doing is not opening up the heterosexual community's minds to the homosexuals, but vice versa. Many of these people in the parade are perverse, IMO. It is flaunting. Some people may not have intentions that way, but that is how it is coming across. And before someone else says something, yes I find it offensive and disgusting when a girl is barely dressed and is very openly soliciting herself and when heterosexuals have their tongues shoved down eachother's throats. There is a line to each "group" and there are many people crossing both lines, and many of those are in those "gay pride parades". You can be proud of yourself, or of who you are, or of what you want to become. But to be proud of your sexuality? Gimme a break. Maybe I should be proud of myself because I can have babies the natural way and because I find men very attractive.
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on Jul 3, 2002 18:00:04 GMT -5
You think we (and yes that includes me) have a choice in who we are attracted to? No.. we were born this way.
I agree. People say it's a choice, but how can it be? You can't just wake up one morning and say "Hey, I think I'll wear green underwear today, have Raisin Bran for breakfast, and be attracted to girls."
But, as I've previously said, gays only march in gay parades because they're proud of their sexuality.
Yes. The parades aren't saying "I'm a man and I like sex with men," they're saying, "I'm different, but I've accepted myself and have overcome a lot of obstacles and lived with a lot of prejudice to be happy today. Look at me, I'm being happy right now. Here's to all of you who put me down."
Because being gay isn't just a bedroom issue. It's not like they're out there having a pride parade about their shoe fetish. Being able to be openly gay is what allows a guy to walk down the street holding his boyfriend's hand, or invite him to the company picnic.
Exactly. It's like everyone thinks homosexual relationships are just about sex. If you're straight, you take your boyfriend/girlfriend to the movies, go to school dances, eat dinner with their parents, etc. Heterosexual relationships don't just take place behind closed doors. It's the same with homosexual relationships.
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 5, 2002 14:04:08 GMT -5
<<<< And you need a parade to tell everyone that? You can be openly gay without shoving it down people's throats. Do I or other straight people go into the streets and dance around in our underwear and gold lameil thongs and announce our heterosexualty? No. You can be gay and hold hands and do whatever else without a parade. >>>> yes,I guess you could. But some people don't think it's right for two men or two women to be in love or in a relationship. I've read alot where gays were killed or beaten because they were gay. So to me,this parade lets them be themselves. <<<< If those parades are a way of getting their way of life across, then they are getting it all wrong. >>>> Ever heard of traditions?? Maybe that's a tradition for them and alot of these (traditions) people are wearing nothing and the only ones your griping about is the Gay Pride one. <<<< It's like everyone thinks homosexual relationships are just about sex. >>>> Arghh that fruststes me too. Some homosexuals are virgins. And jst because thy're different doesn't mean they want sex!!
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 5, 2002 15:56:57 GMT -5
yes,I guess you could. But some people don't think it's right for two men or two women to be in love or in a relationship. I've read alot where gays were killed or beaten because they were gay. So to me,this parade lets them be themselves.A parade will not change those people's minds. If people are set in their ways about one thing, ten to one they will not change them. And the fact of the matter is, the parade is not helping. I don't think it is wrong for men to be together, or women to be together. I just have an issue with the parade. Ever heard of traditions?? Maybe that's a tradition for them and alot of these (traditions) people are wearing nothing and the only ones your griping about is the Gay Pride one. There is no such "tradition" in dressing up as a freaking peacock or to not dress at all. They want to shock people, that's all it is about. It's a "Look at me" thing and that isn't what your sexuality is supposed to be about. Point: I have two friends who are into "experimentation". At my senior grad night party, my two friends, in the middle of a big, crowded room (we're talking 300+ people), started kissing.... heavily. Now that is just sick. And not just because they were doing some heavy PDAing (which I dislike whether you are homo/heterosexual), but because it was a shock value thing. They aren't even attracted to each other, they just want to make conservatives like me squirm, and that's sick. That's what those "Gay Pride" Parades are, IMO. Not for all people, but for many.
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 5, 2002 17:16:49 GMT -5
<<<< There is no such "tradition" in dressing up as a freaking peacock or to not dress at all. They want to shock people, that's all it is about. It's a "Look at me" thing and that isn't what your sexuality is supposed to be about. >>>>
Well how do you know it's a 'Look at me' type thing?? Have you ever even asked this or said anything to someone who goes to these Parades?? Or are you just assuming??
Also,your two friends...:: Are you saying what they were doing was tacky?? Well alot of people do that,let them do what they wanna do. I didn't get what you were saying about them so if I said something 'wrong' tell me.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 5, 2002 18:52:03 GMT -5
Well how do you know it's a 'Look at me' type thing?? Have you ever even asked this or said anything to someone who goes to these Parades?? Or are you just assuming??
After having watched interviews in which other homosexuals pretty much condemn what the "scantily clad" and "costumed" homosexuals are doing, I feel I am not "assuming" much. All one has to do is watch. You can learn a lot by watching.
Also,your two friends...:: Are you saying what they were doing was tacky?? Well alot of people do that,let them do what they wanna do. I didn't get what you were saying about them so if I said something 'wrong' tell me.
Yes, I am saying it is tacky. To do something just for shock value is extremely stupid, to put it frankly IMO. It's like getting a tattoo because it'll shock your parents: It's just plain ignorant, and yes, stupid, if that's your reason and motivation.
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Post by julinka on Jul 8, 2002 13:26:52 GMT -5
The absolutely outrageous aren't representative of the entire gay community, the entire gay pride community, or even the entire gay pride community that goes to parades. At least in my city, that kind of behaviour doesn't make up the majority of the parade, it just makes an easier sound-byte or picture.
And while pride activities aren't likely to change people's minds about gay people, they do provide a source of support for people who are struggling with society and sexuality, sometimes just because they let you see that other gay/bi/lesbian people exist.
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Post by Foxyhound on Jul 16, 2002 23:36:51 GMT -5
Homosexuality is not congenital nor inherited. People just know of their sexual orientation from an early age. Homosexuals can't help the way they are, so I don't understand why people hate them. It's just like what color you are when you were born, you can't help it. Then some people hate you for the color of your skin. STUPID. I'm not prejudice, but I would be pretty freaked out if a girl started hitting on me.
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on Aug 14, 2002 17:51:12 GMT -5
<<they let you see that other gay/bi/lesbian people exist.>>
That's an excellent point. A lot of times, people who hide their sexuality are doing so because they feel alone. Heterosexuality is everywhere, and for some, these parades are a good way to see there is a community of people out there with the same feelings that they have. That's not to say that the strange costumes and such aren't a bit... odd, but gay pride parades aren't all feathers and sequins.
<<I'm not prejudice, but I would be pretty freaked out if a girl started hitting on me.>>
Most homosexuals will not try to pursue a relationship with someone they know is a heterosexual.
I've been thinking a lot about the whole homosexuality/religion thing. My friend just recently came out, and she's beginning to lose her faith in God, because of those who are stressing how wrong it is in the Christian faith. I have to say my faith in the church definately isn't nearly as strong as it used to be, either. I don't see how it can be so wrong. Why would God want to deny someone of being truly happy with themselves, rather than live a lie? How can it be a sin if no one is being hurt or killed, and no lives are being ruined?
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Post by SunShine on Oct 5, 2002 2:00:49 GMT -5
I fully support homosexual people. What they do in their bedroom is their own business, and the risks they take with AIDS is their choice. I don't understand why people have to butt into their lives with their beliefs and morals. If someone wants to march around in a thong, hold hands or kiss with someone of the same gender, let them. If you don't like it, close your eyes. On the issue of adoption, I'm ok with that too. If two loving people want to raise a needy child into someone who is open with their sexuality, respects other people and their way of life, and is proud of themselves for whoever they are or turn out to be, there is not a thing wrong with that. Why would God want someone to strive to be who they are not and be unhappy? I believe God wants us all to be happy and be ourselves.
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Post by Soleluna on Oct 20, 2002 0:42:27 GMT -5
You will not be allowed to make any more racist post. You will be banned if we catch you another time with a racist post. Is that clear?
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Post by :: Natalie :: on Oct 20, 2002 13:25:37 GMT -5
^Could someone delete that post please? That was completely uncalled for. Thanks.
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Post by toxicavenger on Jan 30, 2006 14:20:44 GMT -5
I'm not prejudice, but I would be pretty freaked out if a girl started hitting on me. Then you do have a problem with it, and that's fine, because it is creepy. Some gems to talk about. if you knew, you KNEW, in your heart, that you were really purple. But the world only accepted orange people! Wouldn't you be proud of yourself for being able to say, I am purple! I am not orange! I don't care what the world says! A bad analogy, your skin color does not determine your sexuality, nor does it have any bearing on it at all. btw, because the Bible says something isn't always true: 1) its often misinterpreted <<translated from 1 language to another, to antother, to english Wrong! The Bible is true and it was translated from one language at a time to another. The English version didn't come from a long food chain of translations, it was translated directly from the original texts. Whatever language Bible there is, it was translated directly from the Hebrew Greek text. As mentioned before, if you're going to quote something, at least do a little research and try to quote it right. It depends on what you want to adhere to. Some passages do not support certain behaviors and all passages are perfect for "today's attitudes." In fact we need them more than ever now. Animals aren't human, they do what they do. Humans know what they're doing and choose to do it. ^^ *Ohh... I see.* Was Lot consiered a good or bad man? And, of course the Bible has good messages! Can't dispute that.. I m saying that it has lots of stuff which isn't so good -- its not a source that should be used all the time On the contrary, it should be used everytime. And what stuff isn't so good? Sure, the average "gay" relationship lasts 2 and half years then on to someone else. Most TV shows are written by gay writers who don't know or understand what a long term committed relationship is. Every dysfunctinal couple, even if they're portrayed as straight is written from the gay perspective. And on that note: This thread is a few years old and I've had a chance to think clearly and long about this issue. The gay movement has lost its luster! People don't care much anymore. Gay themed movies, who cares. "Cut, print, gay." Thankfully I never saw the movie. But the only reason Brokeback Mountain won seven Golden Globes was because it was a gay themed movie. Not because it had any technical or artistic merit. And now it's up for best picture and such for the Oscars. It was not a good movie, just two men making love out in a field. If the movie had been passed over all the members of the gay and lesbian groups would be crying in their glasses of pink lemonade, yelling foul. In short, I don't care. If gays want respect, they should earn it. The world doesn't owe anyone anything and this sense of entitlement that gays have has lost its effect. Everytime a gay feels he or she is slighted, they go to the nearest lawyer screaming like a bunch of Nanny 9-11 spoiled brats that their percieved slight has irreparably harmed them. Time for Microsoft or Lucasfilm to write a big fat check. It's over, work like the rest of us and get over yourselves. ===================================== And here we are a day after the Oscars and I'm happy to report that Brokeback Mountain got squat! Well, only a few awards but nothing really that important. I know we'll be seeing more crap like this in the future but for now the art of film making remains an art. Crash, was a politically correct mess but at least it has merit.
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