Annie
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Post by Annie on Apr 20, 2002 0:19:40 GMT -5
Two men, one serving as a female and one as a male; or two females, one serving as a mother, the other a father, does not work and will never work no matter how much people want to put childhood development and parenting in a box. Unless your statement has sufficient evidence, I choose to believe otherwise. Kids, I'm sure, will benefit from having loving caregivers who provide them with necessities of life, which does not vary according to their sexual orientation. How would gay parents have children? There's another problem. They can't procreate. If adopted. the child will not grow up with a sense of who he or she is. Why is that? Because the child is adopted? Any adopted child will feel somewhat lost, but they would have responsible parents to care for them. The father to instill discipline and a strong presence in the house so the child knows who is not only boss, but who is the provider. The father can give a child what the mother cannot. A type of strong presence. The mother has the same role as provider, but she can offer what the father can't: Nurture, a kind of shoulder to rest on, as well as a provider too. Both roles of the mother and father are important. Please, those sexist stereotypes are long-gone. Women can be just as fierce and inforce discipline as well as men, as men are able to provide sensitivity.
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Post by 80s Child on Apr 20, 2002 22:30:02 GMT -5
<<How 'bout I take a young girl out shopping for pads and her first bra. Who would you feel more comfortable talking to about this, me, a man, or a father, or your mother? >> I'm perfectly comfortable talking to guys about my period. In fact, I mostly complain about cramps to my male friends. My father (I live with mother and father) has gone on several emergency pad-and-tampon runs when my cramps have been too bad for me to move. My father also knew when I got my first bra. A REAL man is not uncomfortable with these things, but rather sees them as a natural process of growing up. Any man, whether gay or straight, can be a REAL man. Relating to this slightly: Didn't you ever see Armageddon? There's a scene in it where Liv Tyler's character bitches to her father about her upbringing, and she brings up an interesting example: when she got her first period, the MEN in her father's crew had to teach her to use a tampon. Goes to show about gender roles, dontcha think?
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Post by busybodies on Apr 21, 2002 2:53:54 GMT -5
I agree with 80's child, to some extent. Real men can deal with female 'problems'. When my uncle got divorced and got custody of his kids, he had to shop for his daughter's first bra. I have no problems about shopping for pads/bras with my dad and my dad has no probs with it either. That isn't a very valid argument, especially if the child has been brought up by that person.
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Apr 22, 2002 13:35:10 GMT -5
<<A REAL man is not uncomfortable with these things, but rather sees them as a natural process of growing up.>>
Then I'm a real man. But in the Abortion thread it was assumed I/other men didn't understand, nor could identify what a woman goes through in a rape or a pregnancy. Not jumping on anyone, but men were being stereotyped as oblivious to everything she goes through. Now it's said that we can and do understand the woman. Which is it?
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Post by It's~A~Nova on Apr 22, 2002 19:31:17 GMT -5
[glow=pink,2,300]^I don't think it's so much as understanding women but more like being able to be there for them. Guys can be supportive even if they can't know what being pregnant, or raped, or getting a period. Just like women who've never been raped or pregnant can understand those who have...it's more of a support thing...hope i made sense there... Edited cuz I can't spell today. [/glow]
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Post by sunny.side.up on Apr 23, 2002 12:35:21 GMT -5
>>Then I'm a real man. But in the Abortion thread it was assumed I/other men didn't understand, nor could identify what a woman goes through in a rape or a pregnancy.<<
I don't think men can't understand that, but it's probably easier for a woman, since rape is something mostly women go through and pregnancy is of course something only women go through.
>>Not jumping on anyone, but men were being stereotyped as oblivious to everything she goes through. Now it's said that we can and do understand the woman. Which is it?<<
As Pandora said, it's not so much about understanding completely what a girl goes through when she gets her first period etc., it's more a 'support-thing'. Besides, I think men can understand it, especially when they have raised a girl and watched her grow etc.
~*Esther*~
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LilPimp987
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Hey yo whats up? ?Send me a message whenever ya want-Peace-Joe
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Post by LilPimp987 on Apr 27, 2002 11:17:31 GMT -5
Hey,i don't think it's WRONG it's just their lifestyle, and their lifestyle is none of the hata'z business, i love everybody and thats the way we all should be 2, we all need to love everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MORE HATE!!!!!
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Post by iNsAnE.cAnAdIaN on May 8, 2002 22:18:40 GMT -5
I think that PREJUDICE against homosexuality is totally and completely WRONG. YOU DO NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY!! ( Im sorry ignorance about that makes me very very very angry.....I was being told otherwise by a group of my friends who said that " god would not make gays"......but thats another story) I was on the bus today when these kids in front of me were talking about how homosexual couples may have the right to marry ( which I think is totally a good thing) and then they exclaimed, "What is our world comming to??? That is soooo gross" I bet that thirty years ago people said that about blacks.
So to anyone who is too closed minded to see that homosexuality is NOT wrong, I have two words: GROW UP!
P.S. Sorry if I offended anybody
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on May 13, 2002 17:34:32 GMT -5
<<<< You say parades are not to help their image. Ok, I'll give you the possibility of that. But then what are they doing out there? THEY ARE FLAUNTING THEIR SEXUALITY. And then they complain about not being accepted. Doesn't make sense to me. >>>>
How exactly are they flaunting their sexuality?? Isn't it more of a Gay Pride thing anyway?? Or is this something completly different?? B/c if it isn't then they are only celebrating. I mean what about alot of the other stuff that doesnt usually involve Gays?? I guess you wouldn't count that then,right?? Or maybe we should make things more accepting **for you** Maybe we should just stop doing this type of stuff,so *everybody* will be happy...
I mean Im sorry,but Im juz tired of all the hate. Actually I think alot of Gay people will make better friends than straight people. Ive been in Gay chatrooms on aol,and most of the *guys* there were really nice. I really dont see how people could hate towards gays. They are normal people as far as normal goes. So what if they like the same sex?? Also,if someone is 'predjudice' against Gay people,what would they think about bi-sexual people?? Since they are like half?? J/W
~~~~~~Heather,(Edward Furlong,Mike Shinoda,Chester Bennington,KidRock & Joe C. LOVER!!!!!! Linkin Park RULES!!!!!!)
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on May 13, 2002 17:47:48 GMT -5
<<<< "What is our world comming to That is soooo gross" I bet that thirty years ago people said that about blacks >>>>
Exactly. And look at it now. I have friends that are black. BIG DEAL! And I can (also) understand how hard it would be to be gay. There is this kid at my school who no one likes because of the fact that he dresses,acts/walks,and talks Gay. I feel so sorry for him, because no one wants to be near him,but when you just be nice to him for once,he's actually nice. And another thing,(which I couldnt even believe) one of my very christiany friends said that she's "scared" of Gay people. Whne I asked her why she said "Because they'll hit on me" I mean really,when was the last time a lesbian/Gay/Bi- person came up and started hitting on you?? 'Hmm I saw it in a movie once' Puh-leeze,movie=Hollywood/mostly fiction. This is REAL LIFE,people,believe it or not. I just think some people are afraid of what they dont understand and begin to hate.
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on May 13, 2002 18:34:14 GMT -5
<<There is this kid at my school who no one likes because of the fact that he dresses,acts/walks,and talks Gay.>>
Is there really a way to dress, act, or walk gay? I hate the way someone is stereotyped a homosexual by their clothing and actions. It's not appearance.
<< And another thing,(which I couldnt even believe) one of my very christiany friends said that she's "scared" of Gay people.>>
I know people like that. These girls insisted that they "just don't like gay people."
"Why?" I asked. "Because... It's wrong." "Well, why?" "It's just gross." "Why?" "I dunno."
They didn't even have anything to back up their dislike! If they had an opinion with their argument, I still would have given them credit for it, even if I disagreed.
Another conversation:
"Being gay is wrong."-- Guy "Why do you say that?" -- Me "It just is." -- Guy "Well, I'm not gay either, but I don't see anything wrong with it." --Me "It's sick." -- Guy "It's not sick, it's just not the right choice for you." --Me "That's what I meant." -- Guy "No, You said it's sick." --Me "It is."-- Guy
If some people could give me a valid reason why they so strongly dislike homosexuality, I would respect them for it. We get into some good debates here, but both sides have reasons to back up their argument. A lot of people just decide to dislike gays out of the blue, for no good (or even bad) reason.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on May 13, 2002 18:49:34 GMT -5
Lisa and Linkin, personally, I don't care if someone is straight, bi, or homosexual. It doesn't matter, it isn't my business, to each their own. And you both bring up *very* good points on how people just hate for the sake of hating. But I do know a reason why many people disagree with homosexuality. They believe that God put us on Earth for the purpose of procreation, and gay couples can't procreate "naturally". I believe it is a very valid argument, especially if one believes that God put us on Earth for that sole purpose. But I don't get why people can't just let other people be.
Linkin, you said the following that is in bold:
How exactly are they flaunting their sexuality??
I believe I've already explained that. Please read my previous posts.
Isn't it more of a Gay Pride thing anyway?? Or is this something completly different??
How can someone be prideful of their *sexuality*? Sexuality is a very personal, private thing and belongs in the bedroom, not in the streets.
I mean what about alot of the other stuff that doesnt usually involve Gays??
Such as? Give me an example that would actually be considered the equal of a "Gay Pride Parade".
I guess you wouldn't count that then,right?? Or maybe we should make things more accepting **for you** Maybe we should just stop doing this type of stuff,so *everybody* will be happy...
Nope, I just don't think that people should be parading around certain things in public. I am more of a conservative than liberal, and that's how I feel. Not apologizing for it either. I mean Im sorry,but Im juz tired of all the hate. Actually I think alot of Gay people will make better friends than straight people.
Who said I hated them? One of my good friends is bisexual! I just find the "Pride Parades" very distasteful and unnecessary.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on May 14, 2002 21:27:09 GMT -5
<<<< Sexuality is a very personal, private thing and belongs in the bedroom, not in the streets. >>>>
To me,what your saying is that sexuality cant be expressed. That it can only happen 'in the bedroom'. Sexuality can be expressed in many ways,and it doesn't have to involve sex. and Also,I think what they do is fine. They're just saying that they aren't ashamed of their sexuality.
<<<< Who said I hated them? One of my good friends is bisexual! >>>>
I didn't say you hated them. I was mostly just talking to everybody.
<<<< I believe I've already explained that. Please read my previous posts. >>>>
Thanks,but I already did.
Lisa:: <br> <<<< Is there really a way to dress, act, or walk gay? I hate the way someone is stereotyped a homosexual by their clothing and actions. It's not appearance. >>>>
<br> Well,I get this mostly from my dad...and movies,and Im sure alot of people at my school do too. But ya'know how some guys talk in that kind of girl voice,and they wear those tight shirts?? Well,my friends automatically think that when a guy sound and dresses that way,then they're gay. Actually I think they only look at their voice. Because there's yet another boy,who me and my other friend is friends with,and the way he talks,confuses people **rolls eyes**
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Post by ageofsolar on Jun 4, 2002 2:19:41 GMT -5
I hate it when people are prejudiced against homosexuals. You think we (and yes that includes me) have a choice in who we are attracted to? No.. we were born this way. I'm sick of hearing stuff about homosexuality being wrong, and how homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to adopt and get married. Are we not allowed to raise a family? Are we not allowed to be human beings? Hmm.. maybe I'm getting a little off topic but oh well.
And whoever said that thing about the gay pride parades and all that.. I'm actually going to be gay pride parade this weekend.. not to "flaunt" my sexuality, but to take pride in it. There's a huge difference between the two.
People who are prejudiced against gays are just narrow minded. They need to get over it. We're here and we're queer!
Ok.. I just had to say that last line. woohoo.
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Post by Michaelangelo on Jun 19, 2002 22:59:39 GMT -5
ageofsolar: woot woot! Estoy aqui y estoy...um...bi!
Listen, Toxic, I think you're being really disrespectful. I appreciate your opinions because, obviously, they're your opinions-- but when you try to pass of your opinion as fact, then I'm not into it.
Also, what gives you the right to say homosexuality is as bad as pedophilia? Honestly, I'm shocked that anyone would think/say that. How can you compare disgusting, cruel rape of an innocent young child with the caring, respectful relationship of two consenting adults? I could say that pedophilia is as disgusting as heterosexuality, could I not? And don't throw that Bible shit in my face as your response, please. I don't believe in God or the Bible, but that's an entirely different debate.
"How exactly are they flaunting their sexuality?? I believe I've already explained that. Please read my previous posts." Hey:Now:Girl--I do understand what you're saying here. I mean, yes, heterosexuals don't have "Straight Parades" or such. But, as I've previously said, gays only march in gay parades because they're proud of their sexuality. Imagine, for a moment, if you knew, you KNEW, in your heart, that you were really purple. But the world only accepted orange people! Wouldn't you be proud of yourself for being able to say, "I am purple! I am not orange! I don't care what the world says!" Damn. I would be. Love, ~Mike
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