Prejudice Against Homosexuals

[Larigirl]

Esther, i'll answer you as to why homosexuality goes against my religious beliefs (even though you were asking someone else)....
In the beginning God created man and woman in his image.  He created Eve to be a helper and a companion to Adam.  he made them so that they could love each other, befriend each other and have a family together.  God created the family to have a mother and a father.  (Later in the story of Lot and his family God speaks about the sin of homosexuality but I'll leave that for another time).  
I did a huge project last year for one of my OAC courses and I studied the development gender idenities in children.  numerous book talked about the importance of a father and mother to model male and female characteristics for a child.  it is best for a child to grow up with a mother and a father....i know that's not alwats possible ideally, and i'm not saying it HAS to be that way... but that's the way it's best.  God created the family that way for a purpose.  If he had wanted men to love men and women to love women he would have set it up that way.  God knows what's best and I trust that.

[x n0ise]

Yes, homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle, but to me it is a wrong lifestyle.  Now, I don't go and make fun, or hate other people because of it or whatever, but because I'm a Christian I don't agree with this type of living.  I'm going to go with LariGirl, we should hate the sin and not the sinner.  Just because I don't agree with their lifestyle doesn't mean that I wouldn't make friends with them, because I would.

[LisaRocksYourWorld, yo]

I'm not a homosexual, but I can imagine it would be hard to be one in today's homophobic society.  So many teens are confused about their sexuality, and have no one to turn to, or are scared to come out.  Others who have come out suffer severe prejudice from their peers.

I see where people are coming from with the "hate the sin, not the sinner" thing, but a lot of people who don't agree with homosexuality take their feelings out on the homosexual.  Yes, man and woman were created to be together, but in my opinion, I would rather see someone live his or her life as a happy homosexual, than live an unhappy lie with someone of the opposite sex.

[80s Child]

FuzzySlippers: The reason why people march in those parades is because they want to be free to be who they really are. True, it does have to do with stopping stereotypes, but they're also fighting for sexual freedom. So if the men want to parade around in thongs, let them! It's their right.

[.Hunting:High:and:Low.]

Sarah: Granted it is their right, but if they are trying to stop prejudice against their lifestyle, that will not help them. It's just a fact. It will just turn people off to their cause, and it will not further them in any way. I'm not trying to sound "prejudiced", but come on, when have you seen a bunch of straight people parading aorund in their underwear?! Have you ever heard of such a thing? No. The gay pride parade participants may want to get attention, but that is not the right kind of attention.

[brown_eyed_rudie]

i don't know... i find it encouraging that people have the right and feel comfortable enough to be in gay pride parades. i actually went to the one in my city this year, and it was really a great experience. i felt welcome there, even though i'm not gay. all the people were cool, and although a lot of it is quite a spectacle, people were having fun, and just being who they are.

i understand that some religions teach that homosexuality is a sin. and i'm really glad that you guys have brought up the issue of hate the sin not the sinner. i guess even if you don't suport the notion of homosexuality, you should still treat gay people like every other person. because really, they are.

[matthewmckillop]

i think a person should have the right to choose if they want to have a relationship with the same sex its ok its not a crime i think

[Michaelangelo]

"it is best for a child to grow up with a mother and a father....i know that's not alwats possible ideally, and i'm not saying it HAS to be that way... but that's the way it's best. God created the family that way for a purpose."

So are you saying that God condemns single parents? No offense to any Christians out there, but let him say that to my FACE-- I was raised by my mother for nearly 6 years, until my father got his life back together, and she is the most amazing person, friend, and mother ever. I can't believe "God" would not realize the greatness of such a wonderful woman. So why would he not recognize the greatness of happiness with one's self and one's sexuality?
Love,
~The Kitten~

[Larigirl]

Griffin, did you not read my post?  I said I think it's BEST when there are two parents... i did not say the MUST be two parents.  There is nothing wrong with being a single parent.... obviously it's not often a choice. (although I know that sometimes it is and I'm not condemning that either)
I'm sure that God recognizes what an amazing woman your mother is - he created her, and he loves her.  And she sounds pretty cool.  so don't think i'm bashing single parents because i'm definitely not.  and don't think that God doesn't love single parents because he loves everyone.

[Michaelangelo]

Alright. I shan't.
Love,
~The Kitten~

[OxNutz]

Here's something to think about on the issue:

Environment shapes all things.

No one had to sit you down and tell you to like women. You are exposed to multitudes of images that tell you that's what you're supposed to like on a daily, even hourly basis. It is also obvious from observing animals that hetero-vaginal relations are instinctive. But as human beings, we have the ability to confuse our insticts with our personal preferances-- which are gained via various unpredictable environmental factors.

I think my theory is unpopular with homosexual advoactes becasue it shows homosexuals have a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay? Ask them. Some CHOOSE to be toesucking fiends. Some CHOOSE to be shy. Dig it.

Environment shapes all things.

This is not to say that parents have done something wrong if their child turns out to be gay.
A) That would imply that being gay is bad, which I'm not saying it is.
B) These type of things are unpredictable-- it's like chaos theory, which way is the water droplet going to roll off your hand?


Different things in our environment shape us. Many of the preferances you have-- sexual and otherwise-- you may are able to trace back to various events and comination of events in your life. These same events, if they happened to another person, could have resulted in different preferances all together.

Everything is enivronmental. EVERYTHING.
The fact that you like certain music, that's environmental. It's not like your parents necessarily directly influenced you to be into it, but your environment, your EXPERIENCES affected you.

Everyone has sexual quirks and hangups. If I like to be pissed on by a leatherclad Xena impersonator, is that a hormonal imbalance?

The "problem" homosexuals face is this: If I like to be tied up and insulted NO ONE has to know. Whatever I do in my bedroom with my wife is completely private. However, a homosexual's dominant "quirk"-- i.e. that they are attracted to the same sex-- is immediately obvious.

All "quirks" are not okay. Some people are attracted to young boys. Others enjoy inflicting pain on unwilling partners. But so long as the people are of legal age, sound mind, and consenting, why should we care?


(cont...)

[OxNutz]

This leads into Gay marriages...

Marriage isn't a right, it's a tax privelage. Gay couples are not going to raise the strongest possible nation, nor are divorced ones-- and divorced couples who remain divorced do not receive the tax benefits of married couples.
As for what cultural form of child rearing works best, I think most studies would indicate that a child with a mother and father who love one another is best. Additional communal influence is also very good, no doubt. But the child of a gay couple is at an automatic disadvantage because they are lacking either a mother or father in the relationship.

I'm for every imaginable gay right. I do not think that "marriage" falls into this category though.

EVERY study will tell you that a child benefits from having a FATHER-- not just two parents, but a FATHER-- particularly male children, but girls too. And you think a kid can grow up just as good without a mother? You're fronting.

I'm saying that a marriage is an economic and social institution designed for child-rearing and procreative unions. Certain things are simply NOT a marriage.

Marriage is not a freedom-- it is an economic privelage. To deny gays freedom would be to say that they cannot live together in relationships. It does not deny anyone freedom to simply state the obvious fact that two men or two women do not constitute a procreative bond. Don't even bring up infertile couples-- to determine whether or not they are infertile or intend to have children is an obvious violation of privacy.

Marriage (that is recognized by the state) allows for the partners to have all types of legal rights to shared properties, estates and power of attorney.

Now, before responding to that in the infantile manner the majorty of you are prone to, READ AND AT LEAST TRY TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE THING AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE ORIGINAL POST.


Oh, and this post is not a dis to anyone, so drop that train of thought also.


Does Ox mock the gay community?

Yes.

Why? Well, for one it's a part of the long list I have of things in this world that amuse me to no end. Mean? Insensitive? Prejudiced? Damn skippy. It's my right as a human. Hell yeah I'm gonna clown you for wearing leather pants or being a male wearing lipstick. I find it funny. Do I care if it offends or is deemed inappropriate? Nope. Why? I reiterate, it's my right. I know gay peeps just like anyone else. They know I do what I do and they live how they choose. They recognize I've made my choices and they've made theirs.


Any questions?

[Larigirl]

I found your post very interesting, and although I did not agree with everything you said, i just wanted to say thanx for bringing a new point of view to the discussion.  you expressed yourself very well.
i just wanted to ask, do you believe that genetics influence anything?  on the nature vs. nurture debate you sound like you're supporting nurture.... does that mean you believe nature has nothing to do with the way you turn out?  just curious.  i believe that it's a bit of both.  for example in the case of a homosexual man - i think that some men have more estrogen or whatever which may give them more feminine tendencies (sp?) but i think they ultimately choose how they are going to act uopn that.  what does anyone else think about this?

[OxNutz]

Well, it's like this:

Wehn I say "nature" I don't limit myself to this pitiable dustball. I speak in regards to the universe as a whole. There are certain things that go in certain flows. I've lived my life laerning to know and be in tune with nature, and thus am able to recognize certain absolutes. Genetics has nothing to do with homosexuality, because it is an abnormality imposed upon the self. It's a choice. Why? Because it is a lfiestyle. Lifestyles are choices.

[popcorn]

Homosexuality is not an abnormality, it is a consious choice. And it is obviously formed by your enviornment, but I think it is not necessarially whether it is "good or bad" one. In truth, nobody can truly know why someone is attracted to different sexes.
People need to accept that
btw, because the Bible says something isn't always true:
1) its often misinterpreted <<translated from 1 language to another, to antother, to english>>
2) If you've ever read the Bible <<I have>> you realize how screwy it can be (like what Moses did with his daughters --   There are so many good messages, but I think a strict adherence to it won't work so good for today's attitudes

As for the argument that you can watch animals and see they don't . . . you're wrong: many animals go through sexual rituals with members of the same sex (birds, for sure)

Hmm OxNuts... good point.
I do disagree that a child will always benefit by having both parents. Let's face it: parents aren't perfect. My mom had to leave my father because he was sorta crazy... tbh, I probably would have been better off being raised without him.

As for gays and children, I think its perfectly okay for them to adopt children. Why? First, there are SO many children without homes today (they certainly don't create more overpopulation) Second, gays are almost always very loving parents, usually less restrictive (think about ur parents) but MOST GAYS DO NOT WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO BE GAY. that ought to comfort lots of u...    "We're Catholics when it comes to raising out Children"

As for the complaints about the gay pride parades... I thought that what FuzzySlippers said was a bit inconsiderate. Think about it if you were part of a group that was repressed (Maybe living in a country that didn't condone Christianity, etc.) and you had an opportunity to be with others like you and be yourself, just like sarah said: they are expressing themselves. The parades are not meant to help their image at all. You also had an interesting point, that str8 ppl don't go parading around in their underwear...

Where do u live??
Ever been to a St. Patty's Day parade?
Its a Christain celebration of a Saint.
What do ppl do? They get dressed up in outrageous outfits (some skantilly sp? clad)
Then watch the parade
Get drunk off their ass
And then they go parading around in their underwear

Oh, and I'm actually Irish!!!  ;D
And yes, it does happen (its NYC)
Do I think its a bit weird? YES
Do I have a prob with it? NO, its pplz right