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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Mar 20, 2002 0:09:03 GMT -5
As for the complaints about the gay pride parades... I thought that what FuzzySlippers said was a bit inconsiderate.
Well, if it was "inconsiderate", I'm not apologizing for it. That is my belief and what I believe to be true.
Think about it if you were part of a group that was repressed (Maybe living in a country that didn't condone Christianity, etc.) and you had an opportunity to be with others like you and be yourself, just like sarah said: they are expressing themselves. The parades are not meant to help their image at all. You also had an interesting point, that str8 ppl don't go parading around in their underwear...
Where do u live?? Ever been to a St. Patty's Day parade? Its a Christain celebration of a Saint. What do ppl do? They get dressed up in outrageous outfits (some skantilly sp? clad) Then watch the parade Get drunk off their ass And then they go parading around in their underwear
Oh, and I'm actually Irish!!! ;D And yes, it does happen (its NYC) Do I think its a bit weird? YES Do I have a prob with it? NO, its pplz right
There is a big difference between parading for a saint and parading around your sexuality. I NEVER said it wasn't their right. But they complain aobut straight people not accepting them with open arms and, well... look what straight people have to go on. People automatically look for the weird, unusual, and term it as "bad" alot of the times. I'm not saying that that is how I am (though those parades do turn me off), but yes, when you go parading around in a g-string flaunting your sexuality (personally, I don't give a flying puck, keep that to yourselves, I don't care if you are gay, straight, bi, whatever, that's *your* business, no one else's), you are flaunting it and wanting everything to be known. You say parades are not to help their image. Ok, I'll give you the possibility of that. But then what are they doing out there? THEY ARE FLAUNTING THEIR SEXUALITY. And then they complain about not being accepted. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by popcorn on Mar 21, 2002 17:51:14 GMT -5
Ah, I wasn't being clear FuzzySlippers, I'm saying that gays aren't the only ones who acts "nuts" and they are certainly not the only ones who flaunt themselves (strippers, girls who dress in next to nothing 4 attention, etc. Its not wrong, its how they feel)
About St. Patty's day, I was saying that the parade is NOT for a saint, and str8 ppl make a fool of themselves (and they flaunt when they're drunk). In NYC there is a controvery over how they prohibit gays to march.
Basically, I am saying that "flaunting" yourself becasue you are proud and are normally not able to and are happy, shouldn't piss ppl off. Think, If you just accept gays, they won't have to parade! ;D
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Mar 21, 2002 23:22:33 GMT -5
Ah, I wasn't being clear FuzzySlippers, I'm saying that gays aren't the only ones who acts "nuts" and they are certainly not the only ones who flaunt themselves (strippers, girls who dress in next to nothing 4 attention, etc. Its not wrong, its how they feel)Ok, I can accept part of that. But I have never seen a straight person walking around in a g-string or half nude (other than on a beach). And the west coast is pretty liberal, so I'm sure I would have noticed if they do, and they surely would out here. People dress skimpy, but not to that extent. Strippers are in clubs, not running around in broad daylight, like many people in those parades. And girls who dress in next to nothing, well, I'm not a big fan of that either, I'm more of a conservative dresser, so... About St. Patty's day, I was saying that the parade is NOT for a saint, and str8 ppl make a fool of themselves (and they flaunt when they're drunk). In NYC there is a controvery over how they prohibit gays to march.Originally, it was for a saint though, right (at least the holiday is so I'm sure the parade was there for SP, please correct me if I am wrong)? The funny thing is, gay people are not drunk when they go and flaunt themselves in broad daylight! It sounds like you're telling me that straight people have to be drunk to flaunt themselves that much, and that's not very reassuring (for the gay people)... Basically, I am saying that "flaunting" yourself becasue you are proud and are normally not able to and are happy, shouldn't piss ppl off. Think, If you just accept gays, they won't have to parade! ;D<sigh> I don't think you are getting my point. I'm not going to repeat part of it. But I will repeat this: Straight people do not have parades talking about their sexuality. It is annoying, it belongs in your bedroom, not in the streets. I accept gays. I just don't care if you are one. Why should you be proud of your sexuality? Good Lord, it's your sexual preference, who gives a flying puck? That is the main problem that I have with it. I don't care if you like men or women and I don't care what sex you are, that is *your* business, no one else's. popcorn, I'm sorry if I sound a little, er, beligerant on this subject, but this is something I firmly believe in. I am not a "homophobe" or whatever. To each their own. I just believe that that belongs to that person and whoever they choose to share their life with, man or woman. It doesn't matter. If they have to pride themselves in being gay, then there is a deeper problem there in that person. You should be proud of yourself, yes, but not specifically in your sexual preference. I am straight. But I will not in any way, shape, or form go parading my sexual preference in the streets of my downtown city. It's simply ridiculous.
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Post by NaruNarusegawa on Mar 21, 2002 23:47:48 GMT -5
"Straight people do not have parades talking about their sexuality. It is annoying, it belongs in your bedroom, not in the streets."
I understand your point, but straight people aren't treated the way gays are. People don't "shutter" at the thought of a man and woman making out, like they would two females or two guys. Not everybody, but society as a whole is like this. Just like getting married, and adoption is up for debate regarding gays. They're treated like they're bad people in a way by society.. cuz they love someone of the same sex they can't get married? they can't adopt a kid? what are they bad people here? of course not.
I think the parades as annoying as they may seem to you is them expressing that nomatter how "bad" society looks at their sexuality, that it isn't bad, it's something to embrace about themselves and be proud of, not hate yourself for or be hated for.
That's the impression I get from it. *shrugs*
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Post by Cassiopeia on Mar 22, 2002 12:29:17 GMT -5
I don't really understand the gay pride thing. How can you be proud of something that you can't even control? I think that people should take pride in their accomplishments, not their sexuality.
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Post by Larigirl on Mar 22, 2002 15:52:47 GMT -5
Fuzzy and Cassi - you guys made some good points! ^
popcorn - you talked about the Bible and you said << 2) If you've ever read the Bible <<I have>> you realize how screwy it can be (like what Moses did with his daughters -- There are so many good messages, but I think a strict adherence to it won't work so good for today's attitudes >> just to correct you - it wasn't Moses - it was Lot. they lived like hundreds of years apart. and by telling about that, the Bible isn't condoning or supporting it. it's just stating historical facts. so you're gonna have to find a better example of "how screwy the Bible can be" to convince me that it's not relevant to life today.
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Post by popcorn on Mar 23, 2002 0:34:35 GMT -5
^^ *Ohh... I see.* Was Lot consiered a good or bad man? And, of course the Bible has good messages! Can't dispute that.. I m saying that it has lots of stuff which isn't so good -- its not a source that should be used all the time
And Naru you are SO RIGHT!!! Str8 ppl aren't repressed, so they don't need to march
Cassio: Sexuality IS an accomplishment Many people have struggles with themselves over their sexuality, being able to acknowledge one's true orientation is an accomplishment (rather than pretending to be str8, marrying, having kids... all fake)
FuzzySlippers: What you said is the underlying meaning of "homophobe" >>If they have to pride themselves in being gay, then there is a deeper problem there in that person.<<
If you seriously love some one, go for it. There is no "problem" in homosexuality -- of course in some cases, there are (rape, etc.) -- its how you feel. I have gay friends, and they are probably the most mentally normal & stable people I know
>>It is annoying, it belongs in your bedroom, not in the streets<< str8 ppl fu*k each other in the street all the time. Seriously. btw, don't be so uptight: ur city must have an arrea where there are porn shows, etc. Think about that.
Just something else to keep in mind: Most ppl forget that gays actually LOVE each other. Their relationship is just about the same mutual feelings as it is for us str8 ppl -- sometimes with an even stronger common bond. Its caring, not just what people mostly associate it with: sex.
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Post by popcorn on Mar 23, 2002 0:36:05 GMT -5
Oh, 1 more question: what's so wrong about parading in a bikini? Is a guy wearing no clothes better than one with a thong? ;D
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Post by Michaelangelo on Mar 24, 2002 0:26:39 GMT -5
Cassio: Sexuality IS an accomplishment Many people have struggles with themselves over their sexuality, being able to acknowledge one's true orientation is an accomplishment (rather than pretending to be str8, marrying, having kids... all fake) *standing ovation* People who argue against homosexuality repress homosexuals. They therefore have parades and wear eye-catching clothing because they are PROUD that they have come past bigots, homophobes, and plain old assholes. I'd be damn proud, too. Love, ~The Kitten~
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 24, 2002 2:34:00 GMT -5
Well, if homosexuals want to gain my respect, they can act like normal people. Going around in those parades is not a way to gain dignity. I don't care what your orientation is, you do not have to flaunt it.
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Post by NaruNarusegawa on Mar 24, 2002 5:33:19 GMT -5
"Well, if homosexuals want to gain my respect, they can act like normal people." "normal people" how? What's your definition of normal here? I'm curious, and I've seen people in outrageous clothes/hair walking around that were straight as well.. .but nothing is said about them.. however when it's a gay person.. it's like seen as bad all of a sudden... weird.
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Post by popcorn on Mar 24, 2002 20:59:54 GMT -5
Going around in those parades is not a way to gain dignity. I don't care what your orientation is, you do not have to flaunt it: I've already explained why they need to parade, it is not an attempt to get you to like them, it is for themselves.. Its a pride parade, not a "support" parade and they're happy for what they are. Str8 ppl flaunt (strip shows?) .. just b/c ur uptight morals (they are, i m serious) don't accept it doesn't mean its automatically wrong >>Well, if homosexuals want to gain my respect, they can act like normal people. <<[glow=red,2,300]yeah, nobody is "normal"[/glow] Certainly hostility towards fellow humans isn't normal.. Kittenette said: People who argue against homosexuality repress homosexuals. They therefore have parades and wear eye-catching clothing because they are PROUD that they have come past bigots, homophobes, and plain old assholes. I'd be damn proud, too. *counter-ovation* (Proud to have come past people who really have homosexaul tendencies but are too afraid to address them -- so hence they attack and degrade them) I've seen people in outrageous clothes/hair walking around that were straight as well.. .but nothing is said about them.. however when it's a gay person.. it's like seen as bad all of a suddenNaru, you are SO RIGHT
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 24, 2002 22:13:15 GMT -5
<<<happy for what they are. >>>> Thats great that they are happy, but I dont want to know about it. <<<<just b/c ur uptight morals (they are, i m serious)>>>> You say that like its a bad thing. <<don't accept it doesn't mean its automatically wrong >> I don't agree with it, but if you are gay, thats great! But I don't want to hear about it all the time. <<I've seen people in outrageous clothes/hair walking around that were straight as well.. .but nothing is said about them.. however when it's a gay person.. it's like seen as bad all of a sudden >> I dont necesarily have that much respect for people like that either. The reason I do not like the parade is not because they are gay, I feel the same way about other people when they show similar behavior.
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Post by sunny.side.up on Mar 25, 2002 11:27:58 GMT -5
>>Thats great that they are happy, but I dont want to know about it.<< You don't have to go to a gay parade, and it's not like homosexuals are constantly telling you how happy they are, are they? ( ) >>I don't agree with it, but if you are gay, thats great!<< That just doesn't make sense... >>But I don't want to hear about it all the time.<< Yeah right, because there are *constantly* gay parades going on in your street! >>The reason I do not like the parade is not because they are gay, I feel the same way about other people when they show similar behavior.<< So what exactly do you think is wrong about it? And besides, it's not like all homosexuals like gay parades. ~*Esther*~
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Post by popcorn on Mar 25, 2002 16:56:22 GMT -5
^^ *hahahahahaha...* very down to earth and your points are clear WAY TO GO ESTHER!
>>Thats great that they are happy, but I dont want to know about it.<< Tada, that's homophobia and discrimination... *not that its a bad thing* you wouldn't complain if you saw two 20 yr. olds obviously in love with each other on teh streeta
>>I don't agree with it, but if you are gay, thats great!<< That just doesn't make sense... *laughs at hypocrits*
besides, it's not like all homosexuals like gay parades. That's an interesting point, I think that they are happy to have a chance to express themselves. BUT I'm sure they'd much rather be accepted and not have to parade. 8)
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