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Post by -*- Little Miss Strawberry -*- on May 11, 2002 3:37:14 GMT -5
<<Now, the Isrealis are destroying the Church of the Nativity, the birthplace of Jesus Christ. People are being slaughtered in and around it. The Church is under attack. Nobody even raises a finger. Why? Cos the Israelis are doing it.>>> That's what gets me... that they're "destroying" a place that is important to Christians. Grr. One thing I've been questioning all throughout this is that it says in Judaism that you must not kill or murder. I know they think they're defending themselves, but how can they possibly think that what they're doing is right? Do they really think God will be on their side anymore than he will be on the side of the Arabs? In my opinion, the Israelis are fighting a lost battle, although in many ways the Palestinians are also fighting a lost battle. In my opinion, there is no point in doing something God wouldn't support. I have strong doubts that God would support what the Israelis, and indeed the Palestinians, are doing now. The Palestinians are out-numbered hugely. They can never win. But does that give them reason to give up? No. If they give up, in my opinion, they will lose their freedom. But surely if they stopped their side of the violence - and equally Israel stopped its side of it - they might be able to come to a compromise. Grr. I hate these things, they're so hard to explain and there's never anyone that's totally right
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on May 14, 2002 9:57:51 GMT -5
/\ The problem is, when both sides in a conflict are blinded by rage and hatred, they'll use any justification they can, including invoking God's blessings. But the true goal is lost.
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Post by dizzyupthegirl on May 19, 2002 12:19:14 GMT -5
In history, we were just discussing this topic. I don't really have an opinion really, cuz i'm still confused in the matter, but i do think that they should stop killing each other, cuz apparantly killing isn't getting them newhere closer to getting what they wanted. Except if both want other people to die. I just hope that they could see through the blood and finally see the real truth. And i hope that they could agree in peace ( in some way) in the near future.
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Post by -*- Little Miss Strawberry -*- on May 22, 2002 6:39:47 GMT -5
Task: Suggest a compromise that would satisfy both parties (if both parties agreed to compromise, that is).
The thing is, unless BOTH parties say, "right, well let's stop this" nothing will happen.
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Post by pettyluv on Jun 19, 2002 13:21:21 GMT -5
Today there have been more suicide terrorist bombings in Israel. Today they struck at a bus stop, amongst the dead was a 2 year old girl and 7 others with several hurt, and yesterday 20 people were murdered and many more hurt in the largest attack on Jeruselum in years. Thats 27 dead in two days.
Sharon has found it necesary to reoccupy parts of the West Bank and Gaza in retalliation to the attacks and until the attacks stop.
Later this week President Bush was to unveil a peace plan that includes the suggestion of interm statehood for Palestine. In light of recent events this plan may be delayed. The White House has recently been hinting that they have given up on Arafat.
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on Jun 19, 2002 22:57:05 GMT -5
I find it really sad that civilians are being killed/punished for the actions of the government. As for Sharon's actions to reoccupy parts of the West Bank and Gaza strip, I believe it will only lead to more civilian deaths on both sides.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 22, 2002 8:55:36 GMT -5
<<As for Sharon's actions to reoccupy parts of the West Bank and Gaza strip, I believe it will only lead to more civilian deaths on both sides.>> Sharon can't sit and wait while the Palestinians blow up his people either. You wouldn't expect it from Arafat, don't expect it from Sharon.
<<The White House has recently been hinting that they have given up on Arafat.>> What can Arafat do? It isn't his fault the terrorist groups are acting in this way. I doubt he has any control over independent organizations.
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Post by pettyluv on Jun 22, 2002 8:59:21 GMT -5
<<What can Arafat do? It isn't his fault the terrorist groups are acting in this way. I doubt he has any control over independent organizations. >>
I think that a big and obvious problem with Arafat is that he will not condemn the suicide bombing to the Palestinian public in Arabic.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 22, 2002 9:03:58 GMT -5
Even if he does, I seriously doubt the terrorist groups will stop. I'm not sure if he's condemned the attacks or not though. I don't exactly trust CNN when it comes to reporting this issue.
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Post by pettyluv on Jun 23, 2002 21:22:14 GMT -5
<<. I don't exactly trust CNN when it comes to reporting this issue. >>
Well if you are going to trust anyone it should be CNN. Did you know that Israel might ban CNN from Israeli satelite for being too "pro-Palestinian" in its reporting?
<<Even if he does, I seriously doubt the terrorist groups will stop. >>
It doesnt matter, it is the principle of the matter. If he really is a leader and wants to work toward peace, then he should try to control his militants. He made a step toward that today when PA forces arrested the leader of Hamas, but you know how those prisons can sometimes seem to have revolving doors at the back.
Also today, Israeli tank forces have surrounded Arafat's Ramallah compound with Arafat inside it. There are talks going around Israel of forcing him to go into exile.
Also either Monday or Tuesday President Bush is set to unveil his plan for a provisional state in Palestine.
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Post by pettyluv on Jun 24, 2002 15:30:54 GMT -5
President Bush is made a speech today that is one of the most sweeping changes in US policy toward the ME in a century. He has called for a interm Palestinian state, the virtual overthrow of Arafat, and he has called for Israel to abide by international law and withdraw from occupied territorries held since 1967. I am really in a state of awe right now, this is big stuff. The US has come right out and supported a Palestinian state and condemned Israel, all in a Republican administration. This is history.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 26, 2002 10:03:42 GMT -5
The interim Palestinian state sounds okay, but how could Bush suggest the overthrow of Arafat? That's just pompous. Let the Arabs do what they want with their leader. Nobody can, or should, interfere with that.
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Jun 26, 2002 11:14:13 GMT -5
<<Israel to abide by international law and withdraw from occupied territorries held since 1967. >>
Not going to happen or it will be just a gesture. I have no faith in Israel right now, they're too much of a rogue nation. Ariel Sharon has thumbed his nose at the US for too long. Yes, Israel is going through alot, but now they're actions are just as bad as the Palistinian suicide bombers. And so the vicious cycle continues.
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Post by pettyluv on Jun 26, 2002 12:22:27 GMT -5
<<but how could Bush suggest the overthrow of Arafat?>>
Well he didnt come out and say it so bluntly, but that was what he was trying to get across.
Yesterday a spokesperson for Arafat said that there will be new elections in January, and a series of reforms.
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 1, 2003 10:37:27 GMT -5
This is the thread for discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
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