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Post by ¤SassySteph0248¤ on Feb 20, 2002 19:23:49 GMT -5
I think it should be banned, all those people that die from second hand smoke, well, it isn't fair to them because they were the one not smoking and trying to take care of themselves by choosing not to smoke. Also I don't like being in restruants where there is smoke all over,you can't breathe good and it makes my eyes sore. My dad smokes and everytime he lights a ciggarette it starts to smell and makes me sick.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Feb 20, 2002 19:33:06 GMT -5
I disagree that smoking should be banned from restaurants. A restaurant is a privately owned place. It's up to the owner to decide whether her or she wants to allow smoking. If a little bit of smoke really bothers you all that much (I can't tell the difference, personally) then don't go to a restaurant that allows smoking. It's that simple. Private corperations do NOT have to accomodate everyone.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Feb 23, 2002 2:29:10 GMT -5
No, I don't think smoking should be banned. My dad was (past tense) a pretty heavy smoker (about 2-2 1/2 packs a day), and it was the hardest thing for him to quit... To be honest, I hate smoking. I think it is a disgusting habit and that the smokers themselves can get some nasty things from smoking, but I am not totally sold on the whole second hand smoking deal. Personally, I think that the information dealing with second hand smoking is misleading and many of the facts are screwed up, but that's just what I believe. The private sector can do whatever they want. They should not have to bend to the will of someone else. That is why it is called private. As for public, that's a total different ballgame. As for the "I don't like smelling smoke coming from the smoking section" argument, again, it probably has to do with how well you smell, but I have been to many restaurants that have such sections and I have never smelled anything coming from the other side. It is up to you to place yourself where you can not smell it if you are bothered by it. This is a two way street, people. Smokers have as much right to smoke as you do for not.
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Post by girlpoet21 on Feb 23, 2002 3:48:38 GMT -5
I agree completely with Fyre's last post. Nice one by the way. I myself am allergic to smoke, and can get somewhat ill from it. My mom is also, and with her, her voice goes after a little while. I used to work with a girl whose mom was also allergic, and everytime she breathed smoke in for more than a couple of seconds, she started coughing, and then started coughing up blood. Secondhand smoke does kill, I've seen too many people (including my great grandpa) who've died from cancer caused by it, who didn't smoke.
People should be able to do it in their own homes, but for me to have to breathe it if I want to go out is not right. If restaurants could glass in a smoking section where they were away from everyone else, and had a way of getting to the exit without passing everyone, that would be great and then I wouldn't care, but you rarely see that.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Feb 23, 2002 12:48:00 GMT -5
>>The private sector can do whatever they want. They should not have to bend to the will of someone else. That is why it is called private. <<
Thank you! Someone finally agrees with me.
A counter-argument might be "Well, I can't stand the smell of smoke. It's not fair!" Tough, life is not fair. If smoke bothers you so much, don't go to a restaurant where people are allowed to smoke. The restaurant does not have to change to accomodate you. It's their choice whether or not they want to allow smoking, and they probably know that there are people who aren't going to want to go to their restaurant because of it. I mean, there are a lot of restaurants that I wouldn't step a foot inside because of certain elements of the place. But I don't tell them to change because of it. I simply don't go there. It's really that simple.
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on Feb 23, 2002 18:30:04 GMT -5
A lot of restaurants today have their "smoking section" as a tiny stuffy section far away from the nonsmokers. (In newer restaurants, at least)
The fact is, people are going to smoke. People are going to continue to smoke. As much as it's a disgusting habit, it's THEIR body, and we can't just isolate them from the rest of society.
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Post by iNsAnE.cAnAdIaN on Feb 23, 2002 20:08:43 GMT -5
If people choose to smoke and harm their own body it is none of my bussiness, it is none of your bussiness, and it is definitely not the bussiness of our gvt. I agree with many that actually banning the right for people to smoke is rediculous. Even though I am VERY MUCH against it I know that people will not beable to stop just *like that* and obey the law. As for what Petty love said ( see quote above ), I think it is my buisiness if people decide to start smoking. If they chose to polute themselves...fine, but they are increasing my risk of Cancer aswell. I do not want to inhale cyanide and tar and ammonia and what ever else they junk those things up with. It has scientifically proven that second hand smoke is AS BAD if not WORSE than actually doing the deed yourself. So if smokers would keep their poisoning to themselves it would not be a big deal, but please, I dont want to be killed because of their wrong doing. I think smoking should become illigal although I know that logically, thats just not going to happen. I think that it should be banned in all public places especially restaraunts, and that the prices to buy cigarettes should be raised a lot more. I would like to hear an opinion from a smokers point of view!
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Post by burtonangel146 on Feb 23, 2002 22:02:14 GMT -5
I dont think smoking should be banned for good just from like public places wheres there isnt a seperated section for smoking.
like others have posted. if people wanna smoke and harm themselves, thats there problem not yours or mine.
I have ALOT of friends who smoke and they know what can happen if they keep smoking and therefore are trying to quite, but in my opinion they aren't trying hard enough, and i wish they would but its their life, yea that sounds mean but they know the outcome so they can only go from there.
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Post by NaruNarusegawa on Feb 26, 2002 4:50:33 GMT -5
I completely agree with Cassiopeia.
If you don't smoke, and don't like the smell of it. If you go to a restaraunt, and sitting in the nonsmoking section you smelled the smoke, then by all means *LEAVE THE RESTARAUNT*. Is it that difficult to do? Some of you guys act like smokers just force you to sit next to them, and blow smoke in your face and they don't. It is your own choice, and if you feel your health is in danger at a certain restaraunt, don't go back.
My boyfriend is allergic to smoke, and whenever we go out to eat, and we sit in the nonsmoking section. He's NEVER had problems with smoking leaking into our section. Some of you guys are making me wonder if you have the nose of blood hounds here especially since the smoking section is usually at least 15 feet away.
And smoking in smoking sections isn't rude at all since they're doing what they're suppose to, but thinking you're high and mighty trying to dictate what someone else does with *their body* is pretty selfish to me.
Like Cass said, restaraunts don't have to accomidate you. If you want one to, get your own restaraunt. It's up to the restaraunt owner to decide whether or not they want a smoking section on *their property*.
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Post by pastel_pink on Mar 2, 2002 1:05:06 GMT -5
I hate smoking. It's hard to quit... I've been trying to quit for ages now. It's just too hard. That's why I don't mind smoke-free restaurants, etc. because they help me out indirectly. I agree that smoking should be banned from public places. It's not fair to everyone else; I poison my own body, and it makes me sick, but I do not want to harm someone else. But most smokers nowadays are conscientious. I don't smoke in front of children. If I see them, I either kill it or walk away and smoke it elsewhere. I don't want to ruin their healthy lungs. I also try to avoid smoking in real crowded areas, like mall entrances on Saturdays, in front of movie theatres, at the zoo (those poor animals suffer enough), and definitely away from schools! Smoking is stupid. The high taxes on cigarrettes should be wholly used to create and promote new methods of quitting and support groups. But of course, the government wouldn't do that... they want the money. If more people quit something, they will lose out on high cigarrette taxes. Which is why I believe that smoking isn't banned altogether, and also the reason why they don't ban it in public places. For private places, they leave it up to the owners of the property. Bars, pool halls, and clubs. It's no wonder why these areas all allow smoking! They will otherwise lose tons of money because smokers will go elsewhere. If you've been to one of these places recently, you already know that the smoker to non smoker ratio is pretty off balance, higher on the smoker side. There was a pool hall near my house that banned smoking but eventually un-banned it. The pool hall was a ghost town. I hardly ever saw anyone in it, except on weekends when people will go practically anywhere for entertainment. Can you imagine a no-smoking club? I would love to see their monthly report. The dancefloor would be squeaky clean. But as long as there are cigarette taxes, there will always be smoking areas and lenient smoking rules. Other than the smokers' ettiquette, there is no way around it. Long live cigarettes >sigh<
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Post by diamond.in.the.rough on Mar 2, 2002 18:58:01 GMT -5
I think smoking should be banned from all public places. If a person wants to contaminate their lungs that's their own choice just keep that disgusting crap away from me.
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Post by NaruNarusegawa on Mar 3, 2002 3:03:16 GMT -5
"If you've been to one of these places recently, you already know that the smoker to non smoker ratio is pretty off balance, higher on the smoker side."
Very true, and if there was a vote the smokers would win. So, you're thinking their opinions which multiplies more than nonsmokers, don't matter as much?
"I think smoking should be banned from all public places."
But what if the restaraunt owner wants to have smoking in *their* restaraunt? Who are you to tell them they can't have that?
"If a person wants to contaminate their lungs that's their own choice just keep that disgusting crap away from me."
Do you not have legs? Can't you walk away from them?
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Post by Fyre on Mar 3, 2002 6:35:34 GMT -5
"If a person wants to contaminate their lungs that's their own choice just keep that disgusting crap away from me."
I agree. I can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke, and it burns my lungs. You can smoke if you want to, but be considerate enough to do it away from me. Do you not have legs? Can't you walk away from them?
I do have legs, and I do walk away, but not without giving the smoker a dirty look first. If I'm out in public somewhere, and I'm not around any smokers, but one just so happens to come along and light up a cigarette, they're the one that should be considerate enough to stay a good distance away, or at least ask if it's bothering me. It's not fair for us non-smokers to have to walk away every single time. Sometimes people are just plain rude, and should think about other people.
It seems like everyone says that if you don't like the smoke, stay away from the restaurant, walk away, don't go to places that allow it, but do you realize how much that restricts us, when smokers can go anywhere they damn well please and not have to worry about it? The rest of us would like to get out of our houses once in a while and not have to worry about dying by blackened lungs.
Think about it, all the non-smokers are at a disadvantage in this world. There are places where smoking is not allowed, but as soon as a person leaves there, they're free to light up. Non-smokers don't want to put up with it, but we're stuck with it, no matter where we go, because there are smokers all around the world. We have to breathe it in, whether we like it or not, because it's impossible to avoid it altogether. We have to go out. We do have lives. Smokers, on the other hand, don't care, because they're used to it and usually like it. Seems pretty unfair, doesn't it? I'm sorry, but I'd like to live a long, healthy life. I don't want to be contaminated by some stranger's filthy habit. Sue me for wanting to be healthy.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Mar 3, 2002 14:34:53 GMT -5
I seriously doubt that if you spend 30 seconds inhaling smoke, that you'll die from blackened lungs. You'll be more likely to get hit by a car first... Oops! I know! Better stay away from those evil hunks of metal now! So you're saying that you don't do anything that could be considered "unhealthy"? Unless you live with the person who is smoking or are in prolonged contact by working with a smoker who consistantly lights up around you, I seriously doubt you will be deemed "unhealthy" and/or die from blackened lungs. I can understand that smoke smells bad (I hate it, but I rarely am around people who do smoke), but you are not going to die from it because you are around it a few times. Edited to ask this: To the people who complain about smokers, where do you go that you are in such distress over smokers? I do go out, and I rarely see one (seriously). <shrugs>
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 3, 2002 17:05:14 GMT -5
<<and I'm not around any smokers, but one just so happens to come along and light up a cigarette, they're the one that should be considerate enough to stay a good distance away, or at least ask if it's bothering me. It's not fair for us non-smokers to have to walk away every single time. Sometimes people are just plain rude, and should think about other people>>
Why?? Are you better than all the people that smoke?? People should be able to smoke whenever they want. What right does a government have to dictate the manner in which you live your life?
I guess having to deal with smoke is just one of the setbacks of living in a free country where individual freedom is valued. The government does not have the right to the right to command activities on private property. Property is a great freedom of America, more regulations on your unalienable right should not be tolerated.
I think that "second hand smoke" is way over rated. In all reality not that many people really die from this over-exagerated propaganda technique. There is more lung damaging chemicals from cars than there are from second hand smoke, I really do not even see it as a great trouble in this country.
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