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Post by pettyluv on Sept 29, 2002 0:46:16 GMT -5
^^How can you see no difference? When it is a situation when it is kill or be killed, will you submit to you own death when you can defend yourself? There is a vast difference.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on Sept 29, 2002 12:54:10 GMT -5
No, I saw no difference in what that .. meant.. ya'll seem like ya'll are saying it's *OK* to kill someone if it's *only* in self-defense. But if someone does it just to do it, they should go to jail. I don't care if it's in self defense, it's still wrong. ok, I'm going to preach , sorry.. but, I don't remeber hearing God or whoever saying 'Killing others is wrong, but if someone tries to hurt you, you can go ahead and kill them, that way, you'll get extra life points and won't get hurt'
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on Sept 29, 2002 21:43:38 GMT -5
Self-defense is different, in my opinion.
Self-defense is NOT stabbing someone repeatedly if they pinch you or call you names. That would be murder. It's more serious than that.
Here's a scenerio: Someone breaks into your house at 3AM with a gun, completely intending to kill your entire family. What do you do? Obviously, you use any weapons available to try to kill or seriously injure the murder before they kill you and your family.
THAT is self-defense. How can you say the crime of a cold-blooded killer who just gets excited on watching people die is equal to that of someone who is trying to protect himself and his family?
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Post by funkygirlk16 on Oct 15, 2002 12:24:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the Death Penalty is wrong or right, but some of me says it's right.
Take these sniper shootings, for instance. The guy who is killing these people should be brought to death. He killed, he should be killed. His life, for their life. I bet the people he killed didn't go around shooting people out of a van, did they? I know one person he killed was pumping gas.
On the other hand, something tells me it's wrong.
<<<but, I don't remeber hearing God saying 'Killing others is wrong, but if someone tries to hurt you, you can go ahead and kill them, that way, you'll get extra life points and won't get hurt'>>>
I get what you are saying, Heather. But... Take these sniper shootings again, these perople who get shot, they couldn't kill him. He's still on the loose. Yet, that makes it wrong because, God says in the 10 commandments "Thou shalt not kill.".
I really don't know if The Death Penalty is wrong or right. It's really, just a diffrent case with everything. ~jenn
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Post by Starr29 on Jan 3, 2003 16:59:37 GMT -5
^Great Point! That's exactly how I feel.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Jan 5, 2003 1:42:58 GMT -5
The death penalty is not really "self-defense". Once a criminal is charged with a crime, he does not directly threaten the lives of anyone. I agree that it is okay to kill someone if they are attempting to kill you. It is okay for a cop to kill someone if they are being shot at. But the death penalty is more of an act of vengeance than an act of defense.
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Post by pettyluv on Jan 5, 2003 2:34:28 GMT -5
^^I disagree, I see the death penalty as society acting in defense against the worst kind of criminals. Capital punishment gives society the ability to act to defend itself against murderers with leaving their own life up for ransom.
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Post by -*- Little Miss Strawberry -*- on Jan 9, 2003 15:38:31 GMT -5
Death penalty is not society acting in defense, it's society - and you know this is true - saying "haha, they killed, so let's kill them". When a person is captured and sentence to a prison sentence, surely that's defending society just as much as putting them to death is?
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Post by pettyluv on Jan 12, 2003 3:48:25 GMT -5
In a 12th hour decision my wonderful lame-duck governor whose tenure in office has been plagued with corruption and scandals that will taint the Illinois Republican Party for years to come all has to accumulated at the end of his term to create a "positive legacy" on his administration. Yesterday my governor commuted the death sentances of 157 cold blooded killers. These beasts now get to live their lives because my governor took it upon himself to usurp the decisions of judges and juries. This is an enormous folly and is only Governor Ryan's sad attempt to create a lasting legacy. He will never have to see the families of the victims of these ruthless killers, and probaly best since he only gave this blanket commucation for his own selfish reasons. This is a terrible misuse of the Illinois Constitution, although his action was constitutional, I find it morally reprehensible. I am ashamed that this man is my governor and I bid him good riddance.
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Post by busybodies on Jan 14, 2003 8:00:37 GMT -5
I saw it on the news the other day and I was shocked. How could anyone be so insensitive? I'm not for the death penalty at all, and I don't think they should have been on the death penalty in the first place, but there's a huge difference between life in prison and freedom. Couldn't he have pardoned them and kept them in prison for the rest of their lives? I wouldn't feel safe if I knew there were a bunch of murders wandering around my city. Imagine how the families of the victims must feel.
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Post by 80s Child on Jan 14, 2003 15:51:17 GMT -5
^^I agree. Governor Ryan was way out of line. Yes, I am anti-death penalty, but that doesn't mean that these killers should go free. By all means, take them off death row, but PLEASE, keep them off our streets. This terrifies me, because it's one step closer to Canadian killers like Carla Homolka and that Picton(sp?) guy going free. *shudders in fear*
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Post by pettyluv on Jan 14, 2003 18:00:49 GMT -5
oops, you guys have misunderstood what he did. He commuted the sentances of 157 death row inmates to life in prison and let about 10 go free.
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Post by 80s Child on Jan 14, 2003 18:58:54 GMT -5
Does he know for sure that these 10 are innocent?
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Post by pettyluv on Jan 14, 2003 19:13:18 GMT -5
No, these 10 or so were mostly pardoned due to flawed prosecution, although some genuinely did deserve to be pardoned.
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Post by Frosty The Ice-Bitch on May 12, 2003 23:33:35 GMT -5
Why kill people to show people that killed people that killing people is wrong, I know that's kinda confusing but you get my point, The way I look at it is if your dog bit you and you bit it back to punish it now does that make sense? I know murder or treaon ect. is a LOT more serious then your dog biting you but I don't think we have the right to decide when somone dies even if they killed somone else I think they deserve to rot in prison and sit in their little cell concentrating on what they have made of themselves.
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