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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Jun 24, 2002 11:48:01 GMT -5
I don't like that idea. I was on a jury, and they should not leave that kind of a desicion up to the average dude or dudett. That's just too much responsibility to give to people who are not well versed in law. Some juries rush through a verdict so they can go home or not have to come back the next day.
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 5, 2002 13:16:45 GMT -5
Ok,I don't remember if I posted this or not,but::
What I don't understand is why is it that we (the US or I guess anyone) can have a war and kill people,but if someone kills somewhere else in the US(or whatever) you go to jail/death penalty/prison. Why is that??
That's not very fair. All killing is wrong.
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Post by pettyluv on Jul 5, 2002 14:10:37 GMT -5
^^Why? Because in war you are fighting against an enemy's army and there is a state of war between the nations in conflict. There are rules of engagement in war that all sides are expected to follow. When you fight in a war, you are fighting for your country, you are defending the Republic, you are fighting for your countrymen.
When you kill someone, you are doing it for a personal reason, and you break the law. When you kill someone for the reason that you just want to kill him, that is disgusting, and just punishment must be handed out.
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Post by Gabbie on Jul 9, 2002 10:35:39 GMT -5
I have not read the whole thread so I am not sure what points have been made, but I totally agree with the death penalty. I, actually, very strongly agree with the death penalty to the point where I think its to good for the people.
What I mean by that is I think if someone kills another person (and they knowingly and willingly do it for like no reason except they wanted to) they should not just get a shot and die, thats how I put my dog to sleep! I think they should be killed the same way that they killed the person. I know that might be a little harsh, but thats what I think. I think if you are proven guilty without a doubt then you should die the same way to killed the person. You put the person through that pain and you should go through the same.
I know some people have said things like "the family is still hurt and upset even after the person has gotten the death penalty" and that is true, but at least they know that the person can't do this to anyone else.
You know, really when you get "life" in prison, very few people actually stay in prison for their whole life. I think if you are going to serve life becuase you killed someone you should be in that same jail cell for the rest of your life into you die, not for 30 or 40 years and they get let out and have a perole (SP?) officer for the rest of your life. That isn't life in prison to me.
I stronly believe in the death penalty and I also strongly believe that it is to good for people.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 9, 2002 13:10:47 GMT -5
What I mean by that is I think if someone kills another person (and they knowingly and willingly do it for like no reason except they wanted to) they should not just get a shot and die, thats how I put my dog to sleep! I think they should be killed the same way that they killed the person. I know that might be a little harsh, but thats what I think. I think if you are proven guilty without a doubt then you should die the same way to killed the person. You put the person through that pain and you should go through the same.
You know hyperchik, I really agree with you there. The punishment should fit the crime, and mainly, it doesn't. I'm of the thinking that if a man rapes a woman, he gets his... equipment chopped off. If you commit arson with people in it, then the state buys a house, sticks you in it, and burns it down. But you know, that's considered "cruel and unusual" punishment to many. I think of it as "fair and equal" punishment.
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 9, 2002 14:01:15 GMT -5
^^^^^^ I heard/read once that a man like killed a man by hitting him with a truck/car on purpose so they (the police or whatever) killed that guy the same way......
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 9, 2002 14:32:08 GMT -5
^^ Maybe the victim's family did (I don't blame them), but I can't imagine the police doing it... Especially with no repercussions (sp) from the government...
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 9, 2002 14:47:33 GMT -5
^^^^^^ Yeah,I also think it was in a different country. So maybe it wasn't actually the police. I kind of think it's fair to do t that way. But I still think all killing is wrong.
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Post by Gabbie on Jul 9, 2002 16:12:45 GMT -5
<<You know hyperchik, I really agree with you there. The punishment should fit the crime, and mainly, it doesn't. I'm of the thinking that if a man rapes a woman, he gets his... equipment chopped off. If you commit arson with people in it, then the state buys a house, sticks you in it, and burns it down. But you know, that's considered "cruel and unusual" punishment to many. I think of it as "fair and equal" punishment.>>
YAY! Someone agress with me, only like 5 people agree with me on this, my sister, my grandparents, and my cousin, and sometimes a couple of my friends. And I totally agree with the rape thing. People always think this is harsh, but really when you think about it, it isn't at all. If someone did this to the person, it should be done to them so they know how it feels.
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 9, 2002 16:34:00 GMT -5
exacly ;D
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 9, 2002 17:26:24 GMT -5
;D YAY! Someone finally agrees with me on this too! I'm happy now. ;D
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Post by Soleluna on Jul 10, 2002 2:41:19 GMT -5
What I mean by that is I think if someone kills another person (and they knowingly and willingly do it for like no reason except they wanted to) they should not just get a shot and die, thats how I put my dog to sleep! I think they should be killed the same way that they killed the person. I know that might be a little harsh, but thats what I think. I think if you are proven guilty without a doubt then you should die the same way to killed the person. You put the person through that pain and you should go through the same.For me it is not fair and equal punishment. It is a barbary. I can't even begin to think how you guys could feel that way. You know that the USA is the only occidental state that allows death penalty? And you call that civilized?? Death penalty per se is brutal and unjustified, and what you are suggesting there is immaginable. You know, really when you get "life" in prison, very few people actually stay in prison for their whole life. I think if you are going to serve life becuase you killed someone you should be in that same jail cell for the rest of your life into you die, not for 30 or 40 years and they get let out and have a perole (SP?) officer for the rest of your life. That isn't life in prison to me.This that you are pointing out is a BIG problem with your legal system. When you say 'prison for life' it should be prison FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, not for 40 years, and you should be forced to work for the community, so you give service to the society that you have wounded (i can't think of a better word, sorry! ) You should pave streets under the sun, etc. You should WORK and not lie in your cell watching cable Tv. But by no means you sould be killed, because then the society becomes equal to the criminal.
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Post by pettyluv on Jul 10, 2002 10:05:54 GMT -5
<<For me it is not fair and equal punishment. It is a barbary. I can't even begin to think how you guys could feel that way. You know that the USA is the only occidental state that allows death penalty? And you call that civilized??>>
Yes, and many here think that it is wrong that most European states do not have the death penalty. It is our right as a sovereign state to offer due process and if found guilty for murder by their peers, recieve death.
<<Death penalty per se is brutal and unjustified, and what you are suggesting there is immaginable.>>
That may be your opinion, but I think the eye for an eye ideas that they were talking about are cruel and unusual.
<<This that you are pointing out is a BIG problem with your legal system. When you say 'prison for life' it should be prison FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, not for 40 years, and you should be forced to work for the community, so you give service to the society that you have wounded (i can't think of a better word, sorry! ) You should pave streets under the sun, etc. You should WORK and not lie in your cell watching cable Tv.>>
Now this I agree with. If capital punishment were ever abolished this is the manner in which I would want the prisoners to be treated.
<<But by no means you sould be killed, because then the society becomes equal to the criminal. >>
No, I believe it is not society dropping to the killer's level, it is society reacting and protecting itself from the kiler.
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Post by Soleluna on Jul 10, 2002 10:41:14 GMT -5
I WAS talking about the ye for an eye idea. I'm happy bout that! Finally we agree on something! Sure it is your right, but is what you are doing RIGHT? Excuse the pun. I am just poining out that you are the only state with a Occidental culture having death penalty. Everywhere it has long been abolished. And your system leaks everywhere. Many innocent citizens have been executed without reason. Unless you can guarantee of havinga perfect system with no mystakes, you should stop administering the death penalty.
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Post by Soleluna on Jul 10, 2002 10:43:50 GMT -5
More than 100 countries have abolished the death penalty in law or practice. The USA by contrast has increased its rate of executions and the number of crimes punishable by death. Thirty-eight states currently have the death penalty on their statute books. More than 350 people have been executed in the USA since 1990. More than 3,300 others are on death row. The application of the death penalty is racist. Black and white people are the victims of violent crime in roughly equal numbers, yet 82 per cent of people executed since 1977 have been convicted of killing white victims. Children have not reached a full understanding of their actions. No one should be sentenced to death for a crime they committed before the age of 18. However, in 24 US states people can be sentenced to death for crimes committed when they were children. In 1989 the US Supreme Court ruled that it was not unconstitutional to execute mentally retarded people. Since then some 30 mentally impaired people have been executed. However, some positive steps have been taken. In 1998 Nebraska became the 12th state to adopt a law banning the execution of mentally retarded prisoners. Whether someone is sentenced to life or death can depend more on their lawyer than on the crime. A defendant who cannot afford an experienced and competent lawyer is more likely to be sentenced to death than someone who can. One execution is one too many because, no matter how it's carried out, the death penalty is cruel, inhuman and degrading. It’s an assault on human dignity and a violation of human rights. "An evil deed is not redeemed by an evil deed of retaliation. Justice is never advanced in the taking of human life. Morality is never upheld by legalized murder." - Coretta Scott King From www.amnestyusa.org/rightsforall/dp/EDIT: check this out too www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/dp_qa.htmlI know it won't make you change your mind, but it's a good topic for discussion
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