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Post by EtErNaLfLaMe on Jul 31, 2002 13:08:14 GMT -5
What do you think? The title speaks for itself. I personally think that evolution is not true. i've had this discussion so many times. What do you think? I'd like to know...  |
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Jul 31, 2002 14:37:55 GMT -5
I think to a certain degree it is. I believe something had to start it all, and just exactly where it started I am not sure. But I think evolution is at least partly true.
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Post by EtErNaLfLaMe on Aug 2, 2002 10:11:02 GMT -5
Interesting theory... anyone else?
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Aug 2, 2002 12:50:47 GMT -5
There's alot of bad science out there and evolution is one of them. I can see how there's micro-evolution, when plants and animals adapt to survive, but humans evolving from primates? Come on. Sure we evolve a little bit, such as being taller and living longer. Ever walk through a house built in the late 1800's, you have to bend so you can walk through the door. And the bed's for the parents look like kid's beds. But that's because of better nutrition and medicine.
Where did mollusks come from, trilobytes, dinosaurs, cats, dogs, horses, you name it, where did these animals evolve from?
Where I find fault with evolutuion is where did everything come from? Suddenly fish sprouted legs and now we have lizards? Or that birds came from dinosaurs, because they have the same hip structure. Once it was thrown around that man may have evolved from dolphins or Killer Whales because, are you ready for this? They have five digits in their flippers like the five digits in our feet and hands. Brilliant! And you know if you did school work like that you'd fail the course if not, being laughed out of the class.
One reason for evolution is when one member of a species is the strongest and most disease resistant, these traits are passed on. So if we evolved from apes, which look nothing like us, then why do we still have them? Think about this, humans as a creature are physically weaker, have more health problems, are more suseptible to disease and many other problems, plus we're not that hairy, which would be another issue if we didn't know how to make clothes and tools.
"Me make fire, cook food, mmm!"
We still have apes, and humans except for our intellect, seems to be a bad trade-off. Also that we are taught, and I forget the term for this, (entropy?) that everything is in a state of constant decay. But evolution is improving on everything living. This would go against what science is trying to show us.
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Post by super space bunny on Aug 13, 2002 15:27:28 GMT -5
"Once it was thrown around that man may have evolved from dolphins or Killer Whales because, are you ready for this? They have five digits in their flippers like the five digits in our feet and hands."
I think either you are confused by what your source claims, or else your source screwed it up. The theory is not that humans cames from sea mammals, but rather that sea mammals have evolved from land mammals. The fact that we have similar wrist structure is used to support the hypothesis that all mammals have decended from a common ancestor.
There is a strong possibility that humans and primates are related, although it isn't possible at this point to say whether we evolved separately from a common ancester or if we are actually decended from primates. Support for the realtionship lies in the fact that we share over 99% of our DNA with apes. Further support comes from evidence that these animals suffer from similar diseases as humans, and we are suceptible to the same bacteria and viruses.
I personally believe in the symbiotic theory of evolution. This states essentially that life on Earth developed in the prehistoric primordial soup. This phenomenon has been replicated in numerous labs, thus lending further support to the theory.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on Aug 13, 2002 18:05:45 GMT -5
I don't think it is true because of my religion...  |
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Post by sunny.side.up on Aug 14, 2002 10:36:20 GMT -5
I think evolution is true, simply because it's the most logical explanation I've heard until now. >>One reason for evolution is when one member of a species is the strongest and most disease resistant, these traits are passed on. So if we evolved from apes, which look nothing like us, then why do we still have them? Think about this, humans as a creature are physically weaker, have more health problems, are more suseptible to disease and many other problems, plus we're not that hairy, which would be another issue if we didn't know how to make clothes and tools.<< My personal point of view is that the difference between us and apes is that we are smarter. If it wasn't for that, we probably couldn't have survived becaus of all the things you just summed up OR we would have evolved to something else that was physically stronger. The main reason for evolution is when one member of a species is most likely to survive, which doesn't have to mean being physically stronger. |
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Post by Cassiopeia on Aug 14, 2002 12:02:49 GMT -5
I definitely believe in evolution. As sunny.side.up said, it seems very logical. Also, the majority of scientists have accepted evolution as a fact, and not a theory.
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on Aug 14, 2002 14:35:39 GMT -5
Yes, I believe in evolution. I think it makes perfect sense, and there's more proof to that than to any religious theories, of course.
<<I don't think it is true because of my religion...>>
That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your belief. Christians are allowed to believe in evolution, if they believe that God was the one who created all that eventually evolved. At least that's what I was told in a religious ed. class a while ago.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Aug 14, 2002 15:59:21 GMT -5
^^^ Also, if you don't believe in something solely because it is against your religion, then it's not really YOUR disbelief.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on Aug 14, 2002 17:36:39 GMT -5
Yeah,but I BELIEVE.. B-E-L-I-E-V-E that 'evolution' is a theory.....A very bad one too because I do not believe it that.
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Aug 15, 2002 9:30:08 GMT -5
<<we share over 99% of our DNA with apes.>>
We also share the same genetic matrial with other animals, including sea life. But since our genetic code has been found to be not that impressively long, we're just made of the same stuff--DNA and RNA and such, and not that we're "closer" or more related to one species or another.
<<the majority of scientists have accepted evolution as a fact, and not a theory. >>
Because if they didn't, they'd either get laughed at or lose funding.
The "Theory of Evolution" and even the Creationsts view, which I as a Christian supposedly beleive in is nothing more than a battle of ideologies. Evolution makes no sense if you really analyse it and look at what's being taught. But Creationism makes no sense either. Each is being taught with the sole purpose of "winning the debate." And it all depends on who gets the most grant money.
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Post by konark on Aug 15, 2002 13:36:20 GMT -5
i believe in evolution, until someone comes up with something better.
i don't believe its flawed, if you seriously study it anyway.
like the thing about why are there still apes? they branched off, the apes that we directly 'evolved' from are no longer in existence. but other kinds of apes, have evolved into better apes, as opposed to human beings. thats why there are still apes, or so it is thought.
and as for aquatic mammals, yes they share our limb structure, and they have rudimentary hips also, proving that they once had legs, and evolved into sea mammals from land mammals. even horses share our limb structure (like the 'wrist' bones and so on).
>>We still have apes, and humans except for our intellect, seems to be a bad trade-off. Also that we are taught, and I forget the term for this, (entropy?) that everything is in a state of constant decay. But evolution is improving on everything living. This would go against what science is trying to show us. <<
umm...the universe is in constant decay...and entropy is only a vague theory. it is in fact theorized quite radically and strongly that the universe is not in fact decaying . it contains areas of both decay and growth. it is expanding into undefined space at a rapid state. and our planet, our ecosystems, are only the microcosm. to compare astrophysics with evolution saying they contrast is a rather weak argument.
PS you sound like you thought about this a while, so i'm not saying you are wrong, toxic. but i don't believe what you believe, so lets agree to disagree. are you a sci. student?
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Aug 16, 2002 8:26:51 GMT -5
<<to compare astrophysics with evolution saying they contrast is a rather weak argument.>> That's not what I meant. What I see is that many areas of science agree with each other while at the same time, contradicting what each is trying to show. <<PS you sound like you thought about this a while, so i'm not saying you are wrong, toxic. but i don't believe what you believe, so lets agree to disagree. are you a sci. student? >> Hey, it's not like I'm mad at anyone or anything, just havin' a little fun with this debate. No I'm not a science student, but I do study it. I was into insects, botany, minerology, and my current fave, astronomy. What I see a problem with the sciences is you can question any disipline, be it the ones I mentioned. Physics, math, what have you. But question the Holy Temple of Evolution and you are a dangerous heretic. You MUST go with evolution or else. |
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Post by Shrubby on Aug 16, 2002 15:02:05 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if we don't look like primates, because, hey, I was evolved from my parents and I look NOTHING like them!
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