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Post by julinka on Feb 12, 2002 21:54:45 GMT -5
>> If you are not planning to have kids it would make a lot more sense to have the man get a vasectomy or the women to get her tubes tied. <<
Good luck getting your tubes tied if you're under 30 or so and don't already have two kids...
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Post by LisaRocksYourWorld, yo on Feb 12, 2002 22:29:49 GMT -5
I am completely for abortion. Would I have one? Probably not, but I have never been in that situation. I can't tell anyone what to do with their body. <br>Adoption isn't always the right choice, either. It's can be an awful process in which the child is treated more like an object than a human being. The child would eventually start asking questions about his or her birth mother (assuming that the adopted parents told the child), and it could cause a lot of emotional pain for the child, the adopted parents, and the biological parents. <br> Keeping the baby through the pregnancy and after is hard for the mother both emotionally and physically. Some young women can't even take care of themselves, how are they supposed to shape the life of a young child?
And, yes, there are "consequences" to sex. If you have sex unprotected, then, yes, you should have completely known the consequences. However, if someone uses birth control, which fails, I don't believe they're asking for it. <br> It was just decided to cut funding to Planned Parenthood in New Jersey (my state). They think they're actually doing good and preventing abortions, but the truth is, Planned Parenthood PREVENTS hundreds of thousands of pregnancies every year, through education, not abortion.
The world isn't going to stop having sex, we all know that. If we want to prevent abortions, we need to stop protesting in Washington D.C., and picketing outside of abortion clinics. If you REALLY want abortion to end, get out there and educate our young adults about birth control, and help make it more available.
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Post by horsesalltheway on Feb 13, 2002 1:33:58 GMT -5
There are some times when I think abortion is okay... If the girl was raped...Maybe the couple was wearing a condom... but it broke. That was not their fault. I mean, they were being responsible while having sex and it's not their fault. Say this couple is 16 years old. They have three coices. They can either - Put the baby up for adoption
- get an abortion
- keep it
No matter what some people say about that it's okay to raise a baby when you're that young. I don't really think it is okay. I peresonally would choose putting the baby up for adoption if you can't handle the responsibility. People are punished for murder... Shouldn't they have to face consequences for murdering their baby because of their irresponsibility? Just as you and I... we have to face consequences. Some people also take advantage of abortion. They go get pregnant... get an abortion... go get pregnant... get an abortion. Think of how many babies are killed this way... Then think... how many of those babies could have had the heart to create world peace... the brains to make the world last for all eternity... the determination to become the next great memorable presidents. I think I have made my point. Nikki
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Post by sunny.side.up on Feb 13, 2002 5:14:47 GMT -5
>>People are punished for murder... Shouldn't they have to face consequences for murdering their baby because of their irresponsibility?<<
Are you really concerned about the 'baby', or do you just wish that the 'mom' gets what she deserves (well what you think she deserves anyway)?
>>Some people also take advantage of abortion. They go get pregnant... get an abortion... go get pregnant... get an abortion.<<
I don't think you can find anyone who has an abortion for 'fun'. It's not like you just go have an abortion. It's really not that easy for anyone to have an abortion. >>Think of how many babies are killed this way... Then think... how many of those babies could have had the heart to create world peace... the brains to make the world last for all eternity... the determination to become the next great memorable presidents. I think I have made my point.<<
A fetus is not a baby. Killing someone, is taking life from someone who is alive. A fetus is not alive. And even though one of those feti could have become some great person, he or she could also have become the next Adolf Hitler, a murderer, a rapist...
~*Esther*~
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Post by horsesalltheway on Feb 13, 2002 18:40:13 GMT -5
"Are you really concerned about the 'baby', or do you just wish that the 'mom' gets what she deserves"
I'm concerned about the baby. Who else is there to be concerned about?! I didn't say the mom deserves anything. I said that maybe she should have a punishment for being irresponsible like that, for example, city clean up for a week or something. That may sound a little far fetched but it is my opinion. I don't think you can find anyone who has an abortion for 'fun'. It's not like you just go have an abortion. It's really not that easy for anyone to have an abortion. "A fetus is not a baby. Killing someone, is taking life from someone who is alive."
True... but not quite. It's like murder before birth.
About him becoming the next Hitler... just totally off topic... I heard that Hitler's mom was going to get an abortion but decided against it...? Is that true or just rumors?
Btw snowball, I didn't write that to be flamed before. It was my opinion.
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Post by snowbunny on Feb 13, 2002 18:41:22 GMT -5
I'm pro-choice. Although having an abortion is something that I could never do because it goes against my morals, I think the choice should be open for other women who chose it. A fetus is not technically a living thing, it can't think for itself, it can't eat for itself and it can't even BREATH for itself. How can it be murder if the thing was never even alive in the first place?
There are SOOO many reasons why a woman would chose to have an abortion I won't even get into them. How many of you can actually say that if you were pregnant right now you wouldn't want to have the fetus right out of your body and pretend it never happened. Abortion gives this chance. It may not be birth control, but sometimes it's a person's only choice.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Feb 13, 2002 22:47:21 GMT -5
>>I'm concerned about the baby. Who else is there to be concerned about?! <<
So if the woman was raped, you are still against abortion right? That would make sense, as you are pro-life because you feel that abortion is the murder of an unborn baby, not because you feel that the woman should have to take responsibility for her actions. And if a woman is raped, the fetus would *still* be an unborn baby, so it should still be wrong.
I'm not trying to be rude or anything. Just making a point.
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Post by pettyluv on Feb 14, 2002 1:14:44 GMT -5
About him becoming the next Hitler... just totally off topic... I heard that Hitler's mom was going to get an abortion but decided against it...? Is that true or just rumors? Whoever started that rumor had no knowledge of history whatsoever. Think about this, do you think that they had abortion clinics in the extremely Catholic kingdom of Austria-Hungary in the late 18th century? It just doesnt make any sense and the rumor is invalid.
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Post by sunny.side.up on Feb 14, 2002 4:28:46 GMT -5
^ Uhm... I think you meant the late 19th century. But yeah I think you're right about the rest. ~*Esther*~
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Post by IAmMe on Feb 16, 2002 20:46:36 GMT -5
<<Just because it doesn't look like a baby, doesn't mean it's not. It needs the mother for life, yes, but it's a living, growing, human being all the same. Who cares what it looks like? It's still a helpless, defensless human.>> In that case, the eggs in women's ovaries are all potiential babies, too. So by getting one's tubes tied, does that result in multiple murder of possible human beings?
<<If a woman was raped, that's the one and ONLY time I agree for abortion.>> What about failed birth protection? Condoms and the pill guarantee about 98~99% chance of protection, but the remaining 1~2%? If correct steps were taken to prevent the baby, like using protection, and the woman still fell pregnant and did not want the baby, I don't think she should have to.
As a female, I think women should have the right to choose to keep their baby or not. Whether it's rape, or failed birth protection, it should be solely up to them to make their choice. I know for a fact that I'd rather have an abortion than give birth to a baby I know I don't want.
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Post by girlpoet21 on Feb 17, 2002 0:05:25 GMT -5
Sarah-what do you think about partial birth abortions? What do all pro-choicers think regarding that (if you haven't posted your opinion before)? The baby has a heartbeat at 18 days. This is before most women know they are pregnant. If a woman is raped, it is of course horrible, but that doesn't mean she should kill her child. She doesn't have to keep it, but she also shouldn't kill it. Yes, I believe abortion is the killing of a baby. I've seen pictures of babies in the first, second, and third trimester, both before and after abortions. I can tell they are babies. Silent Scream is not propaganda, though I doubt pro-abortion people and pro-life people will ever agree on that. If anyone is interested, The Hard Truth is a very good video. Not good in content, but good in narrations, etc. As for sex being for something other than procreation, yes it is, but the couple should be aware that pregnancy is a possible result. If they don't realize that, maybe they're not mature enough for sex. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just posting my beliefs. I don't beleive abrtiopn is okay in the case of rape. Killin g is killing. I personally knoew a woman 9my mom was friends with her) who had about 5 abortions by around age thirty. She didn't *seem* to think much of it. Her reason for them? She didn't want stretch marks because then shw ouldn't look as good in a bikini. I personaly find htat digsuting. As for adoption, I've never met a person who'd been adopted who would've rather not lived than deal with being adopted. I've been involved in the foster/adoption systems for almost ten years, and I've met a lot adopted kids and adults. I myself march in Washington, and educate other young people about birth control, among other things. Some people can do more than one thing, ya know. If I got pregnant, I would not have an abortion. I know that. Also, a lot of women who've had abortions have suffered from Post Abortion Syndrome, and I can't see how that piled onto rape is any better for the woman.
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Post by excessive_energy2 on Feb 17, 2002 1:11:23 GMT -5
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Post by Larigirl on Feb 17, 2002 13:46:04 GMT -5
I am pro-life. I believe that life begins at conception. I don't believe that anyone has the right to kill another human being and no matter what anyone else says I will always believe that a fetus is as much a human as you or I. I don't condemn people who choose to have an abortion, I do not think that they are awful people or anything like that. I simply think that they have possibly made an unwise decision, but we all make bad decisions every day of our lives. I believe that God loves every person, regardless of their age, regardless of whether they live in Canada or China, regardless of whether they're male or female, reagrdless of whether they're even born. if two people decide to have sex, they should know that birth control can fail and the results of that failing could be pregnancy. therefore, i don't think you should be having sex unless you feel you could handle the possibility of raising a child. i agree that sex is not just for the purpose of reproduction - it's for pleasure and intimacy too, but even so - one of the products of sex is often children. so if you choose to have sex you should be ready to deal with a pregnancy whether you planned one or not. and Sarah, the heart begins to beat at 6 weeks. and who are you to say that it cannot think or feel? You can't prove that so don't say it. i believe it can feel but if you can show me proof of the opposite i may change my viewpoint. <br> here's a link to a site all about fetal development: www.w-cpc.org/fetal.html
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Post by -*- Little Miss Strawberry -*- on Feb 17, 2002 13:53:02 GMT -5
Being a Christian, I don't think abortion is right. An embryo/foetus/baby is a human being. I don't see it as a collection of cells, I see it more as something which is to grow into human life. In my belief, all human life, and everyone - adult, child or baby, is treasured by God and is seen as equal. To kill an embryo or whatever, is to end a life, or to end something which could become a life, and I don't think it is my place to end or take a life.
However, I realise that there are loads more issues connected with abortion and I have never been in the position of wanting an abortion, so it is hard for me to say what I would do. I hope I would keep the baby - despite whatever difficulties, I would want to bring the baby up. There are people who decide to keep a baby because they disagree with abortion and they manage it fine, so perhaps those who think it will be too hard, are just backing out of a challenge.
But at the same time, if I had been raped, I would probably find it very hard to bring up that child with the respect and love that it deserved. To tell them how they had come into the world would be awful - for them and me, and to look at them and remember what had happened to me would be nearing impossible.
If I was pregnant and about 15-18 years old, I would try and keep it but it would penalise my education no end... why can't mothers of that age who have the baby put it up for adoption? But then again, they would want to keep their baby if they saw it.
If the baby had an uncurable disease, then I would keep the baby and wouldn't want abortion. Who are we to say they would have a lesser quality of life?
So, as you can see, I don't really agree with abortion. I reckon that it should be an option for pregnant women, and I'm SURE the option to have an abortion is not taken lightly (I would disagree if it was just used as a method of contraception). But I personally would not have an abortion. But then again, unless I was raped, I hope I would not put myself in the position of being pregnant if I was unable to look after the baby.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Feb 17, 2002 16:59:18 GMT -5
>>and Sarah, the heart begins to beat at 6 weeks. and who are you to say that it cannot think or feel? You can't prove that so don't say it. i believe it can feel but if you can show me proof of the opposite i may change my viewpoint. <<
In order for something to be able to think and feel, it must have a fairly well-developed brain and central nervous system. An embryo at 6 weeks does not have this. However, a fetus at 6 months has developed these organs/organ systems, and that is why 3rd trimester abortions are illegal, unless the mother's life is in danger.
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