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Cloning
Mar 6, 2002 19:36:24 GMT -5
Post by theLadyMadonna on Mar 6, 2002 19:36:24 GMT -5
What are your takes on this? Right now a big issue is the usage of human embyros for research. Well, do you think? If you don't agree with it, what about the fact that it could potentially save millions of people? What would you deem to be a proper alternative, if there is one? Or if you are on the side of science, what's your reasoning for supporting clones?
Right now my biology class has been talking a lot about this. My teacher brought up the issue of, "what's the big deal?" I mean, if you think about, in 100 years or so when cloning can be perfected, what is the big deal? Basically it's asexual reproduction. It's perfectly natural with other organisms so why not with us? Even if we weren't designed to do that originally, new technology has made it possible so that we can. Why not?
Overall, I guess I'm just curious as to what your personal take is on it. Obviously it has drawbacks, but one could argue that out of those drawbacks could be a major breakthrough. Is it worth it? Why or why not?
So what do you think? Should it be legal? Not legal? Should there be certain limits set on scientists who specialize in this? Does it take away from the way humans "naturally" are?
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Cloning
Mar 8, 2002 23:14:01 GMT -5
Post by girlpoet21 on Mar 8, 2002 23:14:01 GMT -5
I am completely against cloning. I find it disgusting that people would make other people just for harvesting their organs or cells. So lets create people just so we can kill them?
I also find it interesting that people who are pro-choice are many times for this, and they tell me regarding abortion that the worlds population is out of control, but then they are for cloning, which would just make many more humans. BTW, I'm not saying this about all pro-choicers, just some I know.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Mar 9, 2002 0:01:30 GMT -5
^^^ I agree with you, girlpoet. That is very hypocritical. I am very much against cloning is well. We have too many people in this world already. Why do we need to create more by asexual reproduction? I'm not really against cloning single cells for research, but I think that cloning entire human beings is wrong.
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Post by NaruNarusegawa on Mar 9, 2002 0:21:15 GMT -5
I agree with cass and girlpoet on this one. We can't even take care of all the people on the earth now seeing there are still starving countries and homeless people out there.. .yet people want to artificially create pretty much even MORE people? Geez.
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Post by IAmMe on Mar 9, 2002 2:26:14 GMT -5
<<I am completely against cloning. I find it disgusting that people would make other people just for harvesting their organs or cells. So lets create people just so we can kill them?>> <<^^^ I agree with you, girlpoet. That is very hypocritical. I am very much against cloning is well. We have too many people in this world already. Why do we need to create more by asexual reproduction? I'm not really against cloning single cells for research, but I think that cloning entire human beings is wrong.>> <<I agree with cass and girlpoet on this one. We can't even take care of all the people on the earth now seeing there are still starving countries and homeless people out there.. .yet people want to artificially create pretty much even MORE people? Geez.>> How do you feel about cloning for medical reasons? I assumed you were all against cloning for research, but would you agree for cloning where it is purely to save a life, example if one needed matching bone marrow to cure the disease he/she had, he/she would clone themselves for the marrow? <<I also find it interesting that people who are pro-choice are many times for this, and they tell me regarding abortion that the worlds population is out of control, but then they are for cloning, which would just make many more humans. BTW, I'm not saying this about all pro-choicers, just some I know.>> I agree to cloning for medical reason. I don't think that contradicts my beliefs as a pro-choicer, because overpopulation is not a reason I believe in for abortion.
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Cloning
Mar 9, 2002 11:59:06 GMT -5
Post by theLadyMadonna on Mar 9, 2002 11:59:06 GMT -5
"I am completely against cloning. I find it disgusting that people would make other people just for harvesting their organs or cells. So lets create people just so we can kill them?"
The thing with what you said, is that in the future, for example if i had the chance to create someone exactly like me, why wouldn't I want to do that? Why would I want to kill a replica of me? Once cloning does become popular, there are going to be those rich, bored people who say, "I want a clone of me just because" and what right do we have to stop that? On your point about how we would harvest them just for organs, wouldn't it be logical to assume that by the time we've got cloning down, we've also figured out how to clone organs from just a tissue sample, and not from an actual person?
"Why do we need to create more by asexual reproduction?"
Why not? I mean, you might not see the logic in it, but that doesn't mean I don't, or the person you sit across from in English class doesn't. It's not about why we need to do this, it's just the fact that we can.
M'kay, this isn't necessarily what I think, I'm just trying to look at it from all angles. If someone wants to do this and has the money, what's going to stop him/her?
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Cloning
Mar 9, 2002 23:05:04 GMT -5
Post by Cassiopeia on Mar 9, 2002 23:05:04 GMT -5
>>Why not? I mean, you might not see the logic in it, but that doesn't mean I don't, or the person you sit across from in English class doesn't. It's not about why we need to do this, it's just the fact that we can. <<
Actually, it is about why we need to do it. There's no point in doing something unless it serves a purpose. It also doesn't mean that it is right. I *can* go blow up a building if I want to, but that doesn't mean I should do it. In my opinion, there is no reason to clone human beings. There are over 6 billion people in the world, and the population is continuing to expand at an increasing rate. Cloning is unnatural and unecessary, and I hope that it never becomes legal to clone a human being.
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Cloning
Mar 10, 2002 1:23:23 GMT -5
Post by girlpoet21 on Mar 10, 2002 1:23:23 GMT -5
I agree with you Cassi. Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should do it. There have to be limits, because if there weren't there would be chaos. We have to think of the effects of this before we just march on into it. I'm not saying you aren't, but I think a lot of these scientists aren't, they just want the distinction of doing something first.
A lot of beings will (and have been) be killed in the quest for making either "the perfect person", your double, or something to which you can turn to if you get sick. Think of the poor clone. First off, it's a clone! It's not unique like the rest of us, and how do you clone a soul? How do you clone a mind, not a brain, but a mind? Our society is so big on excepting you, and loving your uniqeness (well, at least superficially), yet it's possible we're going to start cloning?! If we create someone for medical purposes so that when something on us breaks down, and we can take from it, how is that right? We don't do that to other people, to our neighbors, so how is this okay? Even if it is created for that purpose, it is still a human being! With that, it is deserving of equal rights, and protection.
We are not intended to live forever, and it seems that if we create a person to be our very own private organ and cell farm, that's what we're trying to do. Not only will we be making more people, we'll be living longer! Like Cassi said, it's unnatural.
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Cloning
Mar 10, 2002 17:38:26 GMT -5
Post by theLadyMadonna on Mar 10, 2002 17:38:26 GMT -5
"There's no point in doing something unless it serves a purpose."
Think about how a scientist's brain works though though. I mean, if it were me, I'd be cloning people just to prove that I can. The thing with science is that it's about testing your limits, you know? If I don't have limits, I'm not going to stop, and a few people telling me it's agains their "morals" will mean absolutely nill to me.
Cloning people and blowing up buildings, as you used in your example, are two completely different examples. That's not a matter of science.
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Cloning
Mar 11, 2002 0:24:40 GMT -5
Post by girlpoet21 on Mar 11, 2002 0:24:40 GMT -5
So it's not okay because it's not a matter of science? So, if we put explosives in your stomach, and set them off just to see what would happen, for sciences' sake you know, is that okay? There have to be limits, because some things are right and some things are wrong.
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Cloning
Mar 11, 2002 13:25:52 GMT -5
Post by Toxic-Avenger on Mar 11, 2002 13:25:52 GMT -5
Not to mention that with that kind of power, who knows what people could do. The problem is, we don't have the wisdom to be able to work through all the technical and ethical problems this would cause. You clone a person, it has a soul and you can't tell them they are not as valuable as a conceived human.
Also, we may know how to clone a human, but we may not understand all that goes on in it's conception. I mean the huge chains of human DNA that have to be put together, something is bound to go wrong. Especially with our need for wanting everything fast and yesterday. Then you have an entirely different problem. What if the new you is mentally slower or has serious physical problems? What happens then? So now is it murder or "cleansing?" I shudder at the mental acrobatics needed to justify that.
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Cloning
Mar 11, 2002 15:02:28 GMT -5
Post by Soleluna on Mar 11, 2002 15:02:28 GMT -5
I am a pro choicer but I am so against human cloning!!!
For all the reasons toxic said. And what about the soul? This scares me.
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Cloning
Mar 11, 2002 18:40:40 GMT -5
Post by theLadyMadonna on Mar 11, 2002 18:40:40 GMT -5
"So, if we put explosives in your stomach, and set them off just to see what would happen, for sciences' sake you know, is that okay? There have to be limits, because some things are right and some things are wrong."
That's not what I'm getting at. I guess what i'm saying is that we know what happens when we put explosives in a stomach. It goes ka-blooey and we have a huge mess of icky stuff. With cloning though, we don't know how far we can go. That's not to say that it's right and not to say that it always goes according to plan. Like toxic-avenger said, if it gets in the wrong hands, who knows what can happen. What I'm saying though is that, assuming the right people use it, the possibilities are endless as far as medical breakthroughs and science as a whole.
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Cloning
Mar 14, 2002 20:04:59 GMT -5
Post by BadFish on Mar 14, 2002 20:04:59 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to human cloning, but I'm not an advocate for it either. If they succeed, wow. Science has been taken a pointless step further. If they don't, it's just as well.
If human cloning is perfected, then rules and regulations would follow. Not to say that it wouldn't fall into the wrong hands.
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Cloning
Mar 16, 2002 23:35:24 GMT -5
Post by theLadyMadonna on Mar 16, 2002 23:35:24 GMT -5
^^
*nods head*
That's exactly it.
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