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Post by 80s Child on Mar 7, 2002 21:03:33 GMT -5
I'm not a Muslim myself, but I do know quite a few. Discrimination against this group runs rampant in our society. Stereotypes like "all Muslims are violent extremists who hate America" create many problems. The extremists are a minority in the religion, and are not representative of all of the Muslims in the world. What do all of you think about the stereotypes against Muslims?
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 7, 2002 21:25:43 GMT -5
I think it is a problem to discriminate against these people. Most of the Moslems in America are just your everyday citizens trying to get by, trying to achieve the American dream that all in this country strive for. But there are those terrible extremists, many, if not a near majority of those in the ME hate America and Israel. Now in some cases this hate may be justified, but they carry out their frustration through violent means, through terrorism. This sort of behavior should not be tolerated reguardless of race or creed.
Some speak of their dislike of racial profiling in places such as airports. Now I think some measures, may be necesary although not to an extreme. Think about this logically for a second. On 9-11 all of the hijackers were moslem males, now could one infer that there might be more scrutiny upon this group? If we were fighting a battle with the mob, would we go around looking for Chinese men?
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Post by popcorn on Mar 18, 2002 21:23:09 GMT -5
You need to remember that out of the Muslems in the world (1 billion --> 1/8th of the world) so few are members of terrorist organizations.
Sadly, foreign policy and the policy of many Arab governments puts many people in dire situations. Many have nothing to loose out of dying or fighting and in most cases, people are tricked by joining terrorist groups.
In NYC, trying to stay away from Muslims is like trying to run away from air -- its something that is always there and it is something we need. Muslims make up an important part of our country (they just want to earn money for their family like all of our parents)
Many Muslims consider terrorists as false Muslims (I forget the Arabic word) and the Qur'an teaches that suicide is a sin -- and doing a sin in the name of God is even worse.
(Keep in mand that the Muslims are not that different from Judiasm or Christianity, they believe in the exact same God, belive in the entire Old Testament and believe in Jesus as a prophet from God)
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Post by SunShine on Mar 24, 2002 20:55:14 GMT -5
I have a friend that is Muslim, she is probably the only one in my school that I know of. There are so many people that don't like her because of that. A few days ago some girl slapped her across the face for NO reason. She is the nicest person I know, and there would be no reason to not like her. Its so disgusting how racist and narrow minded people can be.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on May 9, 2002 20:26:39 GMT -5
Well if I got on here a few weeks ago,I wouldn't really know what to say about them. even just one! But this boy I know,he's in my homeroom at school,and me him,my friend cilla,and two other people are have been becoming friends. I didnt know until like yesterday that he was Muslim. But I didn't care! He's really nice and we goof off and stuff. I really dont think anyone should discrimnate against anyone. We just need to get to know each ther first before we start judging.
~~~~~~Heather,(Edward Furlong Mike Shinoda,Chester Bennington,KidRock & Joe C. LOVER!!!!!! Linkin Park RULES!!!!!!)
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on May 31, 2002 21:40:07 GMT -5
I find it kind of funny how people like to use the words "Muslim extremists" to describe religious Muslims. I guess you're not aware that extremism is AGAINST Islam.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 1, 2002 4:41:34 GMT -5
^^^ Religious Muslims aren't extremists, but what can you say about the Taliban?
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on Jun 1, 2002 18:37:15 GMT -5
^Actually they do. I've heard people express their distaste toward religious Muslims, which they have the audicity to call extremists.
The Taliban? My opinion is that the Taliban had an excellent plan in developing an Islamic state. Did they go about it right? Its not my place to judge.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 2, 2002 5:41:38 GMT -5
As you said, it isn't my place to judge. What you think to be right, anyways. We can judge what the Taliban did to be wrong. Chopping people's fingers off, not allowing them to listen to music or have any forms of recreation... how is that justifiable? And no where does it say that Muslims aren't allowed to listen to music. The way I see it, the Taliban evolved a twisted version of Islam. I personally can't see how anyone can admire that.
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on Jun 2, 2002 10:50:38 GMT -5
When the term 'religious Muslims' is brought up, most people first think of the Taliban. Why is that?
<<We can judge what the Taliban did to be wrong.>> How might you know that the Taliban's actions were 'wrong'. Have you experienced living under the Taliban? There is no way that one can know that the Taliban were horrible people unless you actually believe that media..but thats another story.
<<Chopping people's fingers off, not allowing them to listen to music or have any forms of recreation... how is that justifiable?>>
Again, how do you know that this actually occured unless you've lived under the Taliban?
<<And no where does it say that Muslims aren't allowed to listen to music.>>
You've obviously haven't read the Qur'an or the Hadith because it clearly states that music is NOT allowed in Islam.
<<The way I see it, the Taliban evolved a twisted version of Islam.>>
Thats simply your opinion which I'm willing to bet that you've aquired from the media.
<<I personally can't see how anyone can admire that.>>
I've never said that I admire the Taliban nor have I said that I dislike them. I said that their idea/plan to develop and Islamic state in Afghanistan was an excellent idea.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 3, 2002 4:54:31 GMT -5
<<When the term 'religious Muslims' is brought up, most people first think of the Taliban. Why is that?>> I didn't bring up the Taliban when you said 'religious' Muslim. It came to my mind when you were talking about extremism. <<There is no way that one can know that the Taliban were horrible people unless you actually believe that media..but thats another story.>> I suppose you don't mind them blowing up the Bamiyan Buddhas, because it wasn't YOUR religion that was being targetted. I'm figuring that it's no big deal to you that the Taliban destroyed a world heritage site or put down someone else's belief. After all, it's only when your kind is brought under scrutiny that you cry persecution. <<You've obviously haven't read the Qur'an or the Hadith because it clearly states that music is NOT allowed in Islam.>> My mistake. I was aware of this, but I don't know why I didn't remember it at the time. Forgive me. <<Thats simply your opinion which I'm willing to bet that you've aquired from the media.>> Yes, it is my opinion, and yes, I have got it from the media. How else could I get it? I don't live in Afghanistan. Plus, the media isn't such an awful thing.
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on Jun 3, 2002 16:57:34 GMT -5
<<I suppose you don't mind them blowing up the Bamiyan Buddhas, because it wasn't YOUR religion that was being targetted. I'm figuring that it's no big deal to you that the Taliban destroyed a world heritage site or put down someone else's belief. After all, it's only when your kind is brought under scrutiny that you cry persecution.>>
How could you state something so absurd without knowing me? How do you possibly know that the destruction of the Buddhas didn't anger me or that I don't care for anyone who is non-Muslim and is hurting. Well let me tell you something, I would and do help anyone and everyone who needs help. Islam fights for justice for ALL, not only Muslims. I suggest you do your research before stating things as absurd as you did because I do take offense to your comment. <<Yes, it is my opinion, and yes, I have got it from the media. How else could I get it? I don't live in Afghanistan.>>
Ahh, the media....an excellent source the government uses to brainwash the public. Some sad souls actually believe it. The pity.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 4, 2002 5:10:58 GMT -5
<<Islam fights for justice for ALL, not only Muslims.>> And that explains the action of the Taliban? Nice way of dishing out 'justice' to non-Muslims. Show that their objects of worship are not welcome or even tolerated.
<<Ahh, the media....an excellent source the government uses to brainwash the public. Some sad souls actually believe it. The pity.>> Where would you get your news from? The only thing sad is how some people think that EvErY thing the media reports is a government conspiracy and part of a 'bigger plan' to bring the population under their control. Please don't think I'm anti-Muslim. Having lived around them for all my life, I can't see how I could be. I just look at both sides of it.
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on Jun 4, 2002 23:34:47 GMT -5
<<And that explains the action of the Taliban? Nice way of dishing out 'justice' to non-Muslims. Show that their objects of worship are not welcome or even tolerated.>>
You see here's a great example of prejudice against Muslims. You think Muslim...you think Taliban/terrorists. Let me tell you something, ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT A PART OF THE TALIBAN OR THE AL-QUADA ORGANIZATION. Get that simple fact into your head and then maybe, just maybe, we'll have an intelligent discussion on this topic.
I am one to accept every religion. I might not agree to them or even see any sense in them but nevertheless I do accept them. Everyone has the right to live his/her life the way that s/he chooses. If they choose to live it as Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Christians etc..then so be it.
<<Where would you get your news from?>>
I watch news broadcasts such as CNN and laugh at their inaccuracy. Basically, I watch the news but I obviously don't believe everything that they say. I don't know where you live so I can't really comment on the accuracy of the media that you receive but here in Canada, a whole lot of the things that are stated on the news are done to protect the image of the government. Why would I want to believe crap like that?
<<Please don't think I'm anti-Muslim.>>
I've never once accused you or even thought of you as being anti-Muslim. From many of your posts, I gather that you stand more in the 'neutral' position rather than leaning on either side but I can see why. This topic doesn't affect you directly. Do people look at you as if though you are a terrorist and are ready to plant a bomb? Do they consider you 'weird' just because you choose to dress modestly and cover your hair?
<<Having lived around them for all my life, I can't see how I could be. I just look at both sides of it. >>
I'd just like to throw in that just because you live around a certain group of people doesn't necessarily mean that you accept them.
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Post by busybodies on Jun 5, 2002 1:08:53 GMT -5
<<You think Muslim...you think Taliban/terrorists. Let me tell you something, ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT A PART OF THE TALIBAN OR THE AL-QUADA ORGANIZATION.>> How the frizzux could you know what I think? Did I ever equate religious Muslims to Al-Quaeda? No. Then stop making assumptions.
<<I am one to accept every religion. I might not agree to them or even see any sense in them but nevertheless I do accept them.>> Good. Did I ever say you didn't accept other religions? I was talking about the T A L I B A N. Not about religious Muslims. Not about you.
<<I don't know where you live so I can't really comment on the accuracy of the media>> I live in Oman. Think what you want...
<<I'd just like to throw in that just because you live around a certain group of people doesn't necessarily mean that you accept them.>> I never said 'accept'. I said look at both sides of everything. The people in this country are wonderful. They show many good qualities that people of my country, unfortunately, don't show. I haven't been forced into "accepting" them.
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