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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on Jun 28, 2002 14:57:32 GMT -5
I am sorry,but this makes me think you guys are wanting everybody to be Chritians. I mean,it'd be great!! But a lot of people aren't.
I realy don't care what happens to the Pledge. If they decide to change it,then fine. And if they leave it the way it's always been,since 1954,then that's ok too.
The way *I* see things is different. I go by death. None of this is going to matter when we die. It's just a country and it's just a Pledge that a *person* thought of. It's here with the rest of the world and by changing a Pledge won't make a difference,in my book.
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Post by pettyluv on Jun 28, 2002 15:07:36 GMT -5
^^No, we are not trying to make everyone be Christians, but this country does have Christian heritage that cannot be erased.
<<The way *I* see things is different. I go by death. None of this is going to matter when we die>>
But after we are dead and rotting there will still be people here living. It matters that our predacesors know how our country was formed and the heritage of it.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on Jun 28, 2002 16:04:04 GMT -5
^^^^^^ [*Sigh*]
Think what you want then.
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Post by Semi-Charmed.Life on Jun 29, 2002 0:18:49 GMT -5
I really don't understand why this is such a big deal. If people are offended by that small part in the Pledge, they should just keep quiet and not say it. I don't know why there has to be so much controversy around it. It doesn't have to mean that you're not patriotic. I, myself, am a very proud Canadian yet I never say our national anthem because I do find parts of it offensive. Heck, I wouldn't even stand for it if I didn't have to. It just goes to show that intentions are far more powerful than some words we mechanically mumble every morning.
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Post by Ich Liebe Rammstein on Jun 29, 2002 15:52:05 GMT -5
This past year,I don't even say it anymore. I mean...I'm A Christian,I ...I guess I'm Patriotic . I just don't feel like saying something over and over EVERY DAY...It's kind of old...That's just me ......
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Post by Cassiopeia on Jun 29, 2002 22:26:22 GMT -5
>>I, myself, am a very proud Canadian yet I never say our national anthem because I do find parts of it offensive. Heck, I wouldn't even stand for it if I didn't have to. It just goes to show that intentions are far more powerful than some words we mechanically mumble every morning. <<
I completely agree with you. Saying the pledge of allegience does not necessarily make you patriotic, nor does covering everything you own with American flags. Lets face it: the flag and the pledge are just symbols. They mean absolutely nothing by themselves. A lot of people who claim they are so patriotic don't even know what the pledge means and what the flag stands for. It's important to know the history of our country and understand how the goverment works, and I don't feel that one should be considered patriotic if they don't do any of this.
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Post by HairsprayQueen on Jul 1, 2002 17:58:49 GMT -5
^^^^^^ Thanks. You said it all perfectly.
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Post by julinka on Jul 3, 2002 14:59:06 GMT -5
I think it would be worthwhile to get rid of the "under God" part, given that it's an artifact of a relatively recent battle against communism and not about the patriotism of saying the pledge. (and ironic, considering that the author of the pledge resigned from some sort of authority position in his church over his socialist beliefs)
But this ruling goes too far. As ruled previously by the supreme court, you have the right not to stand, or do anything non-participatory so long as it is also non-disruptive. As long as that is well and widely enforced and explained to students then I don't see the need for the court to mess with it further.
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Post by Tay on Jul 3, 2002 19:38:40 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone cares so much about it.
I'm with the people who say that 'Under God' shouldn't have been there in the first place. It shouldn't.
My schools haven't said the pledge since I was in fifth grade, so it won't effect me much, I guess.
I think 'Under God' should be taken out. That's the reason it's unconstitutional. I have no religion, and I don't want one, so I'm not really fond of the reference to God, although I don't really care either. Maybe some people do care though, and they're willing to do something about it. People who want to can think 'Under God' and people who don't, well, they can think something else. That way both people are happy.
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Post by DancinQT7610 on Jul 7, 2002 15:50:34 GMT -5
If someone has a problem with it...that's okay...they just don't have to say it. But ...we do have freedom of speech in this country which gives us the right to say what we want. So even if they take it out they won't be able to stop us from saying it...they certainly won't be able to stop me. They say it offends them to hear "Under God" well it's going to "offend" me not to hear it. Does that matter to anyone? Because if that don't matter to the people who believe it is "unconstitutional" then why should their opinion matter to me? Petty Luv has "America: Love it or Leave it" in her signature and I couldn't agree with it more. If you disagree with almost everything America is then why are you still here??
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Jul 8, 2002 12:41:50 GMT -5
Another problem with this is Special Interest group's continuous need to sterilize this country's special documents.
The ACLU's take on the 1st Amendment is twisted and when Thomas Jefferson wrote about the Separation of Church and State, he meant that for the church to be protected from the government, not that the government be protected from the church. In fact, it was hoped that the church would influence the government.
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Post by Gabbie on Jul 8, 2002 13:59:11 GMT -5
<<If someone has a problem with it...that's okay...they just don't have to say it. But ...we do have freedom of speech in this country which gives us the right to say what we want. So even if they take it out they won't be able to stop us from saying it...they certainly won't be able to stop me. They say it offends them to hear "Under God" well it's going to "offend" me not to hear it. Does that matter to anyone? Because if that don't matter to the people who believe it is "unconstitutional" then why should their opinion matter to me? Petty Luv has "America: Love it or Leave it" in her signature and I couldn't agree with it more. If you disagree with almost everything America is then why are you still here??>>
I couldn't agree more, that was said prefectly. I don't understand why people that have such a problem with everything that we do are still here, then get out! Go live somewhere else where you won't have us changing everything we do because of like one person who decided "oh you know what? today i think i'm going to rule this unconstitutional". most people don't have a problem with it and it should be left alone. This is how it is, great maybe it shouldn't have been added but it was. So i don't think it should be changed because of the few people that are offended by it, i'll be offended if they change it because of one or two people.
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Post by pettyluv on Apr 2, 2003 19:52:54 GMT -5
Bump for a dupe.
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Post by _redbutteRfly on Apr 6, 2003 9:19:40 GMT -5
In my opinion, today's world is as messed up as it is because we're taking too much God out of the country. Christians are our American heritage - that should not be taken away because of an athiest taking a hissy-fit over his daughter having to say the pledge. How patriotic of him. -¤Candolio¤-
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Post by Gabster on Apr 13, 2003 0:11:44 GMT -5
I truly don't understand what all the fuss is about. "Under God" has been in the Pledge for YEARS, and nobody has complained before. It's stupid that with everything America is dealing with now, there's now an entire controversy dealing with three letters in a custom that's entirely OPTIONAL in the first place. Nobody forces students to say the Pledge, there are quite a few people in quite a few of my classes who don't say it in the first place. There you go, end of story: You don't like the Pledge, don't say it. You don't like "Under God", don't say it. However, I, as a Christian, as well as an informed-American who understands how much of our country's heritage has roots in Christianity, also have constitutional rights, and those enable me to say "Under God" in my Pledge of Allegience. Freedom of speech works both ways, people.
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