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Post by katka on Feb 21, 2002 21:07:29 GMT -5
If anyone has read Dean Koontz's new book, One Door Away From Heaven, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Utilitarian bioethics is basically the belief that anyone who doesn't or can't make a real contribution to society, should be killed or experimented on basically. Peter Singer, a pretty well known UB, thinks it is ok to kill disabled infants because they are not a real person, and that it will be a detriment to a family's happiness.
Personally, this belief makes me physically ill. Have we gotten so callous as to think that if someone doesn't meet a certain IQ, then it is ok to kill them? <br> What are your thoughts on UB, and the people who are now preaching it, even in colleges (BTW, Singer is now a professor at Princeton)? I would maybe want to take the class, just to learn something, but I would seriously be afraid that he would say something and I would just kick the **** out of him. ;D
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Post by good.disaster on Feb 22, 2002 0:27:06 GMT -5
utilitarian bioethics? is that what they're calling genocide these days?
who would set those standards? what if, had this been implemented, someone had some sort of, for lack of a better word, defect but met other criteria for the chance to live?
this is not survival of the fittest, it's butchering of the lame, meek and less fortunate. a child born with a physical birth defect or mental retardation cannot be held at fault. if a disabled person can be helped by those allowed to live through this b.s. conception, the humility of humankind would lead more to the betterment of society than massacre.
purposely impairing or disabling people in order to achieve equality between people is bad enough, but this philosophy sickens me. if you ask me, whoever honestly believes killing off those deemed mentally or physically unfit is certifiable themself and subject to fall according to their own canon.
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Post by Queen_of_Hollywood on Feb 22, 2002 9:55:14 GMT -5
^^agreed.
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Post by Michaelangelo on Feb 24, 2002 0:29:36 GMT -5
! utilitarian bioethics? is that what they're calling genocide these days? Wonderfully said. Love, ~The Kitten~ |
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Post by brown_eyed_rudie on Feb 24, 2002 11:48:26 GMT -5
ub is awful. my friend's neighbour always comes out and preaches to us about that whole theory,and it make us so angry. it's reminiscent of lord of the flies, but real and people live by it.  bah! these people frustrate me. if you write a book about something it doesn't mean you're right. don't believe everything you read. live right, kids. (ps ^ where's the last line of your sig. from? i recognize it.....) |
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Post by good.disaster on Feb 24, 2002 23:36:39 GMT -5
^ i know you're not asking me, but... george orwell, 1984.  |
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Post by NaruNarusegawa on Feb 26, 2002 18:36:39 GMT -5
Wow, this is disturbing. I never imagined such a belief existed. This reminds me of hitler. Wanting to kill the jews because they didn't fit his "blonde hair blue eye german perfection" or whatever.
Whoever mentioned the word genocide is exactly right. Ugh, people should be allowed to have their own beliefs, but this is something that shouldn't be "taught" in some college or school. That's like giving a class specifically to the KKK or Black Panthers. Equally as sickening.
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Post by brown_eyed_rudie on Feb 27, 2002 16:32:38 GMT -5
thanks good.disaster
i'm kicking myself right now! i've read that book a million times, i just so slow...
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Post by Aussie.Chick on Feb 28, 2002 1:34:46 GMT -5
i think that is so awful. It's okay for Peter Singer, who is supposedly 'perfect'. I think everyone has a purpose in life, whether disabled or not, regardless of race, sex, whatever. Who is he to say what a 'real' person is.
I think UB is so wrong.. i find it disgusting.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Feb 28, 2002 16:58:37 GMT -5
^^ The funny thing is, is that he admits that he doesn't even meet all the criteria he preaches. He says that we should all strive to become his ideal though and that in a perfect world, we would all be utilitarian bioethicists. Another funny thing is that he is a strong animal rights activist. Can we say "get your priorities straight"? What a jacka**.
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Post by sunny.side.up on Feb 28, 2002 17:30:55 GMT -5
Ugh, that just makes me sick. I agree with Aussie.biatch, everyone has a purpose in life, no matter who they are. And this guy is a professor at Princeton? No, I don't think I would take his class... he sounds like someone I would want to stay *far away* from... But on the other hand, it's always good to know what the enemy thinks... (  ) Like someone else said, this reminds me of Hitler... It's just sick and it doesn't make any sense. ~*Esther*~ |
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Post by It's~A~Nova on Mar 22, 2002 22:34:05 GMT -5
[glow=pink,2,300]When I first learned of the concept of utilitarian bioethics I was rather fasinated. I never knew, or chose to ignore how utterly horrible people can actually be. Killing a disabled person souly because they don't make a contribution to society. Personally, I know fully functional people who don't make a contribution to society...I'm sure that their family and friends would be rather upset if the government decided that their life had no meaning or purpose. What kind of sick sadistic soul would have thought up this twisted concept? Have we no regard for human life the way it is naturally? [/glow]
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Post by Audrey on Nov 12, 2002 12:07:50 GMT -5
<<<<Peter Singer, a pretty well known UB, thinks it is ok to kill disabled infants because they are not a real person, and that it will be a detriment to a family's happiness.>>>
If anyone thinks just because someone is disabled they should kill them and is sick enough to say that sure as Heaven isn't real themselves.
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Post by red on Jul 15, 2004 1:48:21 GMT -5
TEXTI just finished reading Dean Koontz's book "One Door Away From Heaven" and I could not believe this **** about utilitarian bioethics. I had never heard of it and it just disgusts me.  I work with disabled children and I'm sure that there are some parents out there who shove their children into care centers because they did not want them, but most of the children I work with are LOVED AND WANTED by their parents. I want to learn more about this idiot Peter Singer. I would like to give him a piece of my mind! Saying that there are people in this world who should not have been born or don't deserve to live is playing God. We are not here to play God!
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