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Post by -*- Little Miss Strawberry -*- on Mar 12, 2002 13:45:22 GMT -5
<<<The Bible was written 2000 years ago by people who lived 2000 years ago. They had a set of values and believes different from ours. That's why I say the Bible should be taken with a grain of salt.>>>
I *totally* disagree... check out the Relig. and Philos. thread; I replied to you there.
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Post by sunny.side.up on Mar 12, 2002 15:29:49 GMT -5
>>Don't kill means don't murder.<<
And why is that? It says don't kill. Which means: don't kill.
~*Esther*~
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 12, 2002 17:51:24 GMT -5
<<>>Don't kill means don't murder.<< And why is that? It says don't kill. Which means: don't kill. >>
It also says that those in government have the right to administer capital punishment.
I think it commands citizens not to murder or bear the consequence.
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 12, 2002 18:16:44 GMT -5
That sicko Andrea Yates who drowned all of her children was just found guilty of all charges.
She is now elligable for capital punishment. She, in my opinion obviously deserves it.
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Post by .Hunting:High:and:Low. on Mar 12, 2002 18:44:28 GMT -5
^^ Agreed. Her husband should also stand trial as well, but that's another story ... She deserves whatever the courts decide for her, esp. the DP. Poor little babies won't get a chance to live because of their mother. A person who is supposed to nurture them, not murder them.
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Post by Cassiopeia on Mar 12, 2002 22:07:57 GMT -5
For those of you who believe that the Bible can serve as evidence and support for your points, do you feel the same way about other holy books, even if they contradict what the Bible says? Or do you just believe the Bible is accurate because it supports your religion?
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Post by pettyluv on Mar 12, 2002 22:46:18 GMT -5
^^The Bible is accurate for me to support my points because it is pivitol in my religion. For others, they may have different religious texts that are of equi-importance to them. Someone with different texts could vindicate their opinion with their text just as I do with mine.
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Post by OxNutz on Mar 12, 2002 23:59:57 GMT -5
The death penalty is a most funny thing. The legislation says that (basically) "You piss us off enough, and we'll kill you." Screw that. Things should go (to some degree) back to Sumerian basics. Things will balance out how they are supposed to, man needs to stop thinking he is that which creates and destroys. Silly humans...
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Post by sunny.side.up on Mar 13, 2002 11:34:46 GMT -5
^ Exactly.
>>It also says that those in government have the right to administer capital punishment.<<
Which would mean that the government would atomatically be right? I don't think so... Remember, Hitler 'was' the government of Germany too. He killed people because they were Jews, or homosexuals, or disabled, etc. Who is to say that the government is right about what it decides to do?
And besides, this is not a discussion about what the Bible says. This is a discussion about what you think about death penalty, regardless of your religion. Your religion might have a lot of influence on your views, but people with different religions or even people with the same religion don't see 'the Bible says so' as a valid argument.
~*Esther*~
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Mar 13, 2002 13:47:30 GMT -5
Someone brought up how the Bible does not support the death penalty which it does. The Bible was brought into this because it has a huge influence on how some of us live. <br> <<You piss us off enough, and we'll kill you. . . . man needs to stop thinking he is that which creates and destroys. Silly humans... >>
If we have not the authority to enforce law then what rights and powers do we have? >>It also says that those in government have the right to administer capital punishment.<< << Which would mean that the government would atomatically be right? I don't think so... Remember, Hitler 'was' the government of Germany too. He killed people because they were Jews, or homosexuals, or disabled, etc. Who is to say that the government is right about what it decides to do? >>
We do. There is a big difference between genocide of a whole race or kind of people because someone doesn't like them, and the execution of a murderer who held her children underwater, one of them as long as nine minutes while he suffocated underwater. <<Your religion might have a lot of influence on your views,>>
Yes it does, and I will use whatever resource I want.
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Post by girlpoet21 on Mar 14, 2002 1:05:32 GMT -5
I agree completely with Toxic. While I don't really believe in the death penalty, I see there's a huge difference between killing a whole race of people and someone like Andrea Yates. The people murdered by Hitler got the death penalty because of something like their religion, race, etc. People in the US get the death penalty because they killed someone else. There's a huge difference.
Also, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), but I think the Bible was brought up to me from Pettyluv because she knows I'm a Christian. She wasn't randomly posting, she was posting to Christians, namely me. The Bible and what it says makes a huge difference, and I will try and check out the verses given by Pettyluv, and Toxic and anyone else. If the Bible says differently than I think, I'll change my point of view. The Bible means a lot to me, and others on here, and therefore I think we should be allowed to use it to explain and defend certain positions.
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Post by sunny.side.up on Mar 14, 2002 15:42:21 GMT -5
>>We do. There is a big difference between genocide of a whole race or kind of people because someone doesn't like them, and the execution of a murderer who held her children underwater, one of them as long as nine minutes while he suffocated underwater.<<
Of course I see that there's a big difference between what Hitler did and what the US government does. But what I meant to say was, that according to pettyluv, the Bible said that authority had the right to administer capital punishment. What Hitler did, was capital punishment. And sure, the Bible also says that you should 'love your neighbour like you love yourself' etc., but why shouldn't that be the case when someone is a murderer? Although there are actually a lot of cases where they find out they have the wrong guy, but that's a whole other story...
~*Esther*~
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Post by It's~A~Nova on Mar 14, 2002 17:37:13 GMT -5
[glow=pink,2,300]While doing research on the death penalty for psychology I found a quote from a nun (Sister Helen Prejean) and think it fits here
"Jesus Christ, whose way of life I try to follow, refused to meet hate with hate and violence with violence. I pray for the strength to be like him."[/glow]
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Post by Toxic-Avenger on Mar 14, 2002 22:03:03 GMT -5
Again, there is a big difference between genocide and capital punishmnent. Genocide, what Hitler, Pol Pot, and even Saddam Whoisinsane, have people killed to either get them out of the way, or because they don't meet a certain criterion of race.
Capital punishment is for people who have committed vicous acts against people. Andrea Yates killed all her children then apparently "woke up," and wondered what happened. Truth is she planned this mass murder for weeks. Imagine being an eight-year-old and running and hiding for your life, knowing you are the last one and you're going to wind up the same way as your brothers and sisters. This woman committed a vicous act of violence and even hate.
It's true of us Bible belivers, that Jesus teaches us to love no matter what, and we can do that. But there comes a time that when someone commits a huge act of violence, it's apparent that they will not respond to love. Only punishment. We can still love them, but they must also face the consequenses of their actions.
I will agree with some on a few points. That the court and legal system is largely unreliable in trying felons. Like I said before, the legal system is filled with people on the take and it's not about whether you did it or not but how good of a lawyer can you afford. With that, while I still believe in the death penalty in its purest form, we have people in the legal system who do not have the wisdom to administer it properly.
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Post by It's~A~Nova on Mar 15, 2002 1:45:00 GMT -5
~~It's true of us Bible belivers, that Jesus teaches us to love no matter what, and we can do that. But there comes a time that when someone commits a huge act of violence, it's apparent that they will not respond to love. Only punishment. We can still love them, but they must also face the consequenses of their actions.~~
[glow=pink,2,300]I agree they should be punished, I just don't think anyone has the right to choose who lives and dies no matter what they've done.[/glow]
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