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Post by ColeSlaw12 on Sept 11, 2003 14:32:37 GMT -5
I know one thing, I will never tolerate or accept homosexual relationships as the equal of marriage, and I think most Americans feel the same way. wait a second, your reasoning that because a group of disturbed people chase disease based on a Rolling Stone article, that the entire population of the gay community shouldn't be allowed to marry legally? i think we can all say that there will and always have been people who do, say or practice disturbing things no matter what the sexual orientation, color, gender, age or any other characteristic. and petty, i thought this was to DEBATE the issue of gay marriage and adoption, not to repeat what you think while stereotyping a population, give some facts.
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Post by pettyluv on Sept 11, 2003 15:43:51 GMT -5
<<wait a second, your reasoning that because a group of disturbed people chase disease based on a Rolling Stone article, that the entire population of the gay community shouldn't be allowed to marry legally>>
No, I dont base my entire opinion on one article, but whats contained in that article doesnt help much. I just do not view the two relationships as equal, and there is no reason for a government to go against the will of its people and redefine words and institutions.
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Post by Chao on Sept 11, 2003 16:00:00 GMT -5
<<wait a second, your reasoning that because a group of disturbed people chase disease based on a Rolling Stone article, that the entire population of the gay community shouldn't be allowed to marry legally>> No, I dont base my entire opinion on one article, but whats contained in that article doesnt help much. I just do not view the two relationships as equal, and there is no reason for a government to go against the will of its people and redefine words and institutions. Yes,if they really "love" each other,as stated before, it shouldnt really matter. If the government does change this,they may as well look forward to giving everybody whos remotely different what they want,like little children.
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Post by It's~A~Nova on Sept 11, 2003 17:16:24 GMT -5
Here's an article I found about a heterosexual man infecting as many women as he could. I'm sure it's not an isolated incident. The point I'm trying to make with this is that HIV/AIDS isn't just a homosexual problem. And I don't really see how this argument about HIV and AIDS is relevant to homosexual's getting the chance to marry or not. I don't think it's the 'bug chasers' that are the ones that want to get married.
Man Causes Teen HIV Scare in N.Y
The Associated Press; 50 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10020 - Tuesday, October 28, 1997; 3:02 p.m. EST Carolyn Thompson, Associated Press Writer
MAYVILLE, N.Y. (AP) -- A man accused of infecting at least nine young women with the AIDS virus was "some sort of scorekeeper" who kept lists of the names of dozens of females he had sex with, authorities said today. Authorities believe Nushawn Williams lurked near parks and schools in western New York state and talked young women into having sex with him, after he had been counseled about his HIV-positive status.
Williams last week gave New York City health officials a list of 50 to 75 names of women with whom he's had sexual contact, said State Health Commissioner Dr. Barbara DeBuono. She said she did not know where those people lived or whether they include his 28 known sex partners from western New York.
"He seems to take some delight in keeping records," said Chautauqua County Health Commissioner Dr. Robert Berke. "That's why he's been able to provide these contacts so thoroughly."
"It appears this guy is some sort of scorekeeper," Berke said at a news conference today with DeBuono.
The nine cases of infection in rural Chautauqua County include one girl who was only 13 years old at the time.
At least one man was infected with HIV through sex with one of Williams' 28 known sex partners . Berke said as many as 70 more people in the county may have been exposed that way, but the months-long investigation is still underway.
Williams' numerous aliases were being cross-checked with sexually transmitted disease registries to determine if he was responsible for any other infections in the state, DeBuono said, but that would take weeks to complete.
The Chautauqua County health department is being besieged with calls from worried residents, said a woman who answered phones today in Berke's office and wouldn't give her name.
Even though Williams is in jail, in New York City, there was fear as students were told about him at assemblies across the county in western New York on Monday.
"It was scary," said Ashley Seaton, 14, while leaving Chautauqua Lake Central High School. "They were saying someone sitting next to me might be affected."
DeBuono said she does not know if Williams focused on any other communities outside western New York state.
However, health officials have said Williams frequently traveled between New York City and western New York, and may have a large number of sexual contacts in other counties. They declined to identify them.
Whatever the 20-year-old man with braids and a slight goatee told the young women and girls he met, authorities said, it wasn't that he carried the virus that can cause AIDS.
"I don't know if this guy was a charmer, flashed money or what," Sheriff Joseph Gerace said. In some cases, Williams may have traded marijuana or cocaine for sex.
Investigators are trying to answer whether Williams intentionally infected his lovers. The oldest woman with HIV is 24.
Berke said Williams is suspected of infecting at least six of the women after learning he had HIV. He may have infected three women, and possibly a fourth, before learning of his infection in September 1996.
Four of the women Williams is suspected of infecting have been treated by Dr. Neal Rzepkowski, an HIV-positive physician and who lectures widely on AIDS prevention. He said one, who is now only 14, was initially depressed and suicidal.
Another of the women, who is 20, told Rzepkowski she had sex with Williams.
"This girl looks like your typical, good-looking middle-class kid," Rzepkowski said.
Williams has been jailed in New York City on drug charges since Sept. 23 under the name Shyteek Johnson. Chautauqua County issued an arrest warrant accusing him of raping the 13-year-old girl.
Williams, who was acquitted on a murder charge in 1995, is to appear in court Monday in New York City on a drug possession charge, said Tom Antenen, a spokesman for the city corrections department.
District Attorney James Subjack said he also would pursue charges of reckless endangerment and first-degree assault against Williams for each person he allegedly infected.
"It takes an individual with no regard for human life to do something like this," Subjack said.
More infections are expected to be reported now that Williams' name, photograph and aliases -- Face Williams and Face Johnson -- have been released.
"He liked to lurk around the edges of schools or parks, maybe where kids would be playing basketball, and pick out young ladies who may, for one reason or another, be in a risk-taking mode," Berke said.
Only a few cases have been documented nationwide in which someone knowingly spread HIV to 12 or more people.
In St. Louis earlier this year, about 30 women and men tested positive for HIV after contact with Darnell McGee or one of his 100 sex partners. McGee was killed in January. Police at first thought the slaying might have been in retaliation for passing the infection, but when they charged a suspect in August, they said robbery was the motive.
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Post by YourCapnSpeaking on Sept 11, 2003 18:38:39 GMT -5
Well, like Nova and Petty both posted in those articles, the spread of HIV and AIDS works on both sides. The only real similarity as that it is perpetuated by extremely disturbed individuals.
As far as the homosexual article goes, as long as they're keeping to the homosexual community, it doesn't matter. As per the heterosexual community, which is like 90% of the world, something truely does need to be done.
Concerning the marriage issue, if the government feels that it must LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONLY place a limit on marriage, I think they are wasting time that only the truely uneducated care about. But then you have to look at Congress as a whole. It is a bunch of old men who are still clinging to the old ways. I bet if you talked to the majority of young adults and teenagers, a lot of them really don't give a damn.
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Post by m on Sept 12, 2003 6:25:12 GMT -5
/\ The homosexual population is more like 2-3 percent.
The point I'm trying to make with this is that HIV/AIDS isn't just a homosexual problem. And I don't really see how this argument about HIV and AIDS is relevant to homosexual's getting the chance to marry or not.
It is a factor if they want to get married and have kids. Not sure how that's possible since same sex marriages create a natural / physical problem when trying to have kids. A child needs a strong father and strong mother. Society messes them up enough, why complicate it with an ambiguously sort of male and ambiguously somewhat female figure. It's been proven over and over again that this kind of arrangement doesn't work and never will. What good is it when the child is left without parents since AIDS takes them away fairly quickly. Are they going to be shuttled back and forth between other homosexual parents and the child welfare system?
The Chautauqua County health department is being besieged with calls from worried residents, said a woman who answered phones today in Berke's office and wouldn't give her name.
The difference between the two articles, this one and the one posted earlier is that the Rolling Stone article talks about the behavior between two consenting, knowing and aware individuals going out of thier way to desire and aquire the disease. The second article talks of one man and unwilling victims.
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Post by It's~A~Nova on Sept 12, 2003 12:07:32 GMT -5
It is a factor if they want to get married and have kids. Not sure how that's possible since same sex marriages create a natural / physical problem when trying to have kids. A child needs a strong father and strong mother. Society messes them up enough, why complicate it with an ambiguously sort of male and ambiguously somewhat female figure. It's been proven over and over again that this kind of arrangement doesn't work and never will.
How many heterosexual marriages end in divorce? And from those how many do you think both parents get to continue playing a major role in the child's life? From my friends alone I can think of one who doesn't see her mother all that much. Not to mention the fact that both her parents say horrible things to her about each other. That's screwed her up rather well. Then two other friends of mine have divorced parents and haven't seen their fathers since. And I fail to see where it's been shown how homosexual couples with kids haven't worked out, I've seen quite the opposite. If you want, I've got tons of articles to prove you otherwise.
What good is it when the child is left without parents since AIDS takes them away fairly quickly. Are they going to be shuttled back and forth between other homosexual parents and the child welfare system?
How many of the 'bug chasers' did it say wanted to get married and adopt children? I'm doubting any of the idiots who actually want AIDS want kids as well.
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Post by ColeSlaw12 on Sept 12, 2003 14:15:52 GMT -5
/\ The homosexual population is more like 2-3 percent. It's been proven over and over again that this kind of arrangement doesn't work and never will. What good is it when the child is left without parents since AIDS takes them away fairly quickly. Are they going to be shuttled back and forth between other homosexual parents and the child welfare system? can i see a statistic on the exact population? can i see a statistic that says children of same sex couples always grow up on welfare or that it causes psychological problems? or are you just assuming? do you believe we should stop all parents with AIDS from having children? what about people with genes that cause genetic disorders?
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Post by YourCapnSpeaking on Sept 12, 2003 19:12:52 GMT -5
Toxic, I must say that your last argument is looking about as sturdy as a sand dune. The others do have a point.
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Post by m on Sept 18, 2003 7:14:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't want to crash a plane into one.
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Post by ThaIceLady on Sept 18, 2003 13:44:17 GMT -5
First off, yes I believe they should be allowed to marry and adopt!
Also, I'm Catholic, Christian whatever...and people say Christians believe being gay is a sin. Well, f--that. I dont' care if it's apart of the religion or not. I don't believe it is a sin gosh dammit! and there is nothing wrong with gays, lesbians, or bisexuals.
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Post by YourCapnSpeaking on Sept 18, 2003 19:58:13 GMT -5
YOU TELL 'EM SISTA!!!! GO ICE!!!!
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Post by m on Sept 19, 2003 7:15:16 GMT -5
People make fun of people. In school, people make fun of those with thick glasses, skin conditions, and clothes choices. This coming alongside of deviant sexual behavior and condoning the acts of potential pedophiles because they "love each other" is fake. I don't buy any of it.
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Post by m on Sept 29, 2003 14:19:29 GMT -5
This is where the whole thing gets worse. There are courses to take on “How to be gay.” A lesbian couple sued to get the boyscouts out of their county. A company was sued because they wouldn’t hire a homosexual crossdresser.
It’s not about tolerance, it’s about telling us to change our morala. To punish and silence anyone who speaks against it and redrafting America’s culture, laws, and family. Hmm, seems the KKK tried this some years back. Of course, it’s evil to see men in white pillowcases shouting for the deaths of everyone. And you should be outraged. But since Homosexuality involves two or more of the same sex “loving” each other, it’s now cute. So they can do what they want, even though homosexual lobbies have the same tactics and power as the ACLU and the hate groups they profess to be against.
The media is selling homosexuality and anyone who speaks against it is labeled as “bigoted,” and “intolerant.” Boy scouts are under pressure to accept homosexual leaders. What motivates homosexual men to want to be with young boys? The Boyscouts are a private organization and they can let in or keep out whomever they want.
Sweden has a law now that anything said against homosexuality is a hate crime. Seems homosexuals can dish it out but can’t take it, fragile beings they must be. The verse from Romans 10:1 is now being removed from Bibles because it’s deemed “hate speech.” Can someone say censorship? And you thought the Patriot Act was a threat to your freedom.
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Post by YourCapnSpeaking on Sept 29, 2003 18:15:27 GMT -5
Well ... the Old Testament is voided in many senses by the New Testament. Which one is that book from? I don't have a Bible ...
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