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Post by DancinQT7610 on Sept 27, 2002 15:34:17 GMT -5
Yay! ;D I am so happy that I am not the only one who feels that the media is promoting this "stick thin" image. I totally respect people who are happy in their own skin because it is hard to appreciate what you have no matter what your size is. Some people are never happy with what they have. I know , trust me. So all of ya'll who are proud of what you got, more power to ya! Ya'll rock!
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Post by SunShine on Oct 5, 2002 0:34:19 GMT -5
Twelve is not the least bit a plus size. That is like average. I don't see why companies and that have to lable things like "Plus." They just should have measurements. Wouldn't that boost people's self esteem. I weigh 158 and wear a size 11-14 depending on what brand and I think I am fine. If size 2 is small, 8 medium, twelve plus, then what are sizes like 24? Most of the places I go to shop doesn't even have my size. Its like, no matter where we are, they find a way to make us feel insecure and self conscious. Its ridiculous how the media has made how much a person weighs so important. And don't get me started on commercials. One minute they are showing this Victoria's Secret commercial, then the next they have a commercial for a Bic Mac. There are times when I get so fed up with myself eating all the time and sitting on my butt ( I know that is not very healthy) but then I think no one really cares if I am a size three or 13. Its how I look at myself. I could careless if I attract guys, because, at this point in my life, that is on the bottom of my priority list. I'm not trying to find a guy that cares if I am a stick, I want one who likes me for me. That is one of the many advantages of not worring so much about how I look.
*Whew* Okay I am done....
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Post by -*- Little Miss Strawberry -*- on Oct 11, 2002 15:48:23 GMT -5
I thought I'd bring a bit of international flavour into this conversation... I'm gonna try and do some size-conversions here (I think this is right): Size 2 (US) = size 6 (UK) Size 4 (US) = size 8 (UK) Size 6 (US) = size 10 (UK) Size 8 (US) = size 12 (UK) Size 10 (US) = size 14 (UK) Size 12 (US) = size 16 (UK) ... and so on! I don't want to bring a shadow on this confidence-boosting conversation, but in the UK size 12 is a plus-size (thats size 8 for you). The average woman in the UK is a size 14 (thats size 10 for you). Yeah, it's ridiculous, maybe. We do have a few size 6's here are there, but for me size 10 is skinny! I'm a size 12-14-16, it depends on the shop/clothing etc.
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Post by Gabster on Oct 14, 2002 0:56:20 GMT -5
Size 12 being considered a plus size is absolutely ridiculous. That is nowhere near a plus size. I am so sick of the media saying, "You need to be a size 2 to get guys, to be beautiful, to be happy."
It's NOT true.
I'm 5'6 and I wear a size 6. I'm pretty thin, but I am still self conscious. You know why? Because being a size 6 is not being a size 4, or a size 2. The media rates attractiveness on a scale. You're 105 pounds? You're pretty. 100 pounds? You're beautiful. 95 pounds? You're f*cking gorgeous!
It shouldn't be like that. People need to realize that every single body type is beautiful, whether you're slender, curvy, in between, whatever. Curves are beautiful. So is slenderness. Every body type should be considered sexy.
Another thing - the media is wrong. Like everyone else said, being sexy and attractive isn't appearance. It's mostly personality and confidence. You don't need to be a size 0 to get guys checking you out. I'm self conscious, but I carry myself with confidence, and I get several guys checking me out or flirting with me. I'm not going to say that I sound conceited, because I'm not. This is true for anyone. If you carry yourself with confindence and self respect, you *will* turn heads - it doesn't matter if you're a size 2, a size 6, a size 12, a size 18, whatever.
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Post by funkygirlk16 on Oct 15, 2002 13:14:23 GMT -5
Size 12 is most certainly not plus size! Not at all! My mom way 145 pounds last time I went with her to the docter about a month ago, she wears a size 12 and she is not plus-size Man, that pissed me off.
~jenn
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Post by Dreamer90s on Jan 14, 2003 17:01:13 GMT -5
I was once Looking at a store flyer ( i think it was ames)and a size 10/12 was a Plus size. That is not right at all
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Post by Cassiopeia on Jan 15, 2003 16:35:53 GMT -5
^^^ Agreed. A size 10/12 is actually smaller than that of the average woman.
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Post by Stepharoola on Jan 15, 2003 17:04:01 GMT -5
Size 12... plus size. Not true @ all.... and definetly not fair.
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Post by KattyKatie on Mar 8, 2003 19:23:16 GMT -5
First of all I would like to point out that the sizing system is quite fudged up. I have no idea WHAT my size is, because i take anything between a 3 and a 13.
Second of all I would like to complain about the fact that clothing sizes keep getting smaller and smaller. With a 37 inch bust I am considered large in bathing suit tops. I hate to say this, but I DO NOT have a large bust. I have a MEDIUM bust (which would be 35 inches in said sizing scale). Why is it that women aren't supposed to have curves anymore?? Who else here ends up with pants that are tight in the bottom and big at the waist?? Since when is the boyish look beautiful??? We're WOMEN for godness sakes, we're *supposed* to be curvy, we're supposed to have big hips (all the better for birthing the chilluns) and yet all we seem to want to do today is HIDE that fact!
I don't think it's fair to judge beauty on size. Sure, it might not be gogeous when you're body is a spherical shape, but its not really gorgeous when you're ribs are sticking out and people are scared to get close to you because they think one of you're bones with stab their eye out (OK, I'm exaggerating), but really, why not just... try to be the right weight for us?? Why not just ensure that our body fat percentage is good and then be HAPPY with ourselves?? Its not all that complicated.
P.S. How can size 12 be a plus size if you can buy it in the juniors section?? Aren't plus sizes supposed to be in a different section?
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Post by unsunghero on Mar 8, 2003 19:44:35 GMT -5
There are Junior sizes, and Women's sizes. A Junior 12 is smaller than a Women's size 12. At least, that's how it works over here.
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Post by cheyne fatale on Mar 8, 2003 20:30:31 GMT -5
...Am I the only person that thinks that the fashion industry has gotten better in terms of having realistic perceptions of what is considered average?
I mean, come on.
No, it's not perfect, but look at a current issue of any fashion magazine, and compare it to...say, an issue from 1995 or so.
It's gotten a lot better since then. No, it's not perfect...yet. No, I don't think it's right to split models into "regular" and "plus-size" categories. But I do think it's improved.
(Wow, I'm probably going to get yelled at for saying this.)
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Post by KattyKatie on Mar 9, 2003 16:55:04 GMT -5
^^ No, I kinda half agree with you. The fashion industry has *started* to get better, in some areas. What I mean is, the high paid fancy designers are still as bad as they've always been with the choosing of models, but MAGAZINES are getting better. But that still doesn't change the image that has been blasted into our subconciosu for years and years and years ever since we understood that people are all different.
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Post by Spazmatikal on Mar 9, 2003 17:28:13 GMT -5
Since when is the boyish look beautiful??? We're WOMEN for godness sakes, we're *supposed* to be curvy, we're supposed to have big hips (all the better for birthing the chilluns) and yet all we seem to want to do today is HIDE that fact! i know what you were saying, and i'm not attacking you... because i agree with almost everything. but please, watch what you say. you complain about everyone else being prejudiced over women with curves - don't forget that there are those who don't have curves too. i don't. i don't have curvy hips (i have a pencil shape ), i'm fairly thin, and have very little of a chest. so am i not beautiful? just remember - it goes both ways.
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Post by KattyKatie on Mar 11, 2003 16:32:26 GMT -5
^^ I understand what you mean, but if you were to go to a modelling agency they'd probably think you were perfect. It's fine to be skinny, but it's turned into the "perfect look" and people are STARVING themselves trying to acheive it. Anyways, I do take back what I said about skinny not being beautiful, just a slip of the typing hand. I meant the starving-myself-thin look isn't pretty. There's a big difference between naturally thin and not eating thin.
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Post by cheyne fatale on Mar 14, 2003 22:45:47 GMT -5
^^ No, I kinda half agree with you. The fashion industry has *started* to get better, in some areas. What I mean is, the high paid fancy designers are still as bad as they've always been with the choosing of models, but MAGAZINES are getting better. But that still doesn't change the image that has been blasted into our subconciosu for years and years and years ever since we understood that people are all different. Hmmm, okay. But what are teenagers more likely to be influenced by? Fancy designer clothes they may or may not be able to afford? Or mainstream teen magazines? Sure, they may be some teenagers out there that choose to look to the fancy designers (who still use unrealistically skinny models) for fashion inspiration, and therefore have warped ideas about what the "perfect" body is supposed to look like.... But I think it's safe to say that most of them look/are more likely to look to more mainstream sources, which no longer use dangerously skinny models to sell clothes. ..I don't know where I'm going with this.
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